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This is why i usually just consign

I know I could make more but honestly I don’t care to. 1200 is a great price and it will sell one day. I’m in no rush. If anything I’ll just give it away to someone I know or sell it to them for $300
for sure, I only brought it up because you asked for a critique on the price and I'm definitely not saying it's not worth it, but once items hit 1k$ I've noticed that people are a lot more picky. I hope you do sell it for what you want, but I do think it's priced high for what people will pay. That said I'm selling a pistol for a relatively high price and it's not moving yet even though there's been a lot of interest. It's absolutely worth the price and I paid significantly more on all the parts and work but the market is the market.
 
Lowball buyers are annoying, but there’s another side to this:

We have plenty of sellers with ridiculous asking prices too, sometimes apparently expecting to recover every dollar they put into a gun. Guns aren't magically exempt from depreciation. Nobody buys a new car, drives it for a year, adds $5,000 in wheels and accessories, and expects the next owner to reimburse them for the car plus every dollar they spent modifying it. Yet we see that mentality with guns all the time. Accessories and modifications are usually even worse—a $500 optic, $300 trigger and $200 worth of other parts don't automatically add $1,000 to the used value, and often they're worth considerably less installed than they would be sold separately.

Off-roster guns in particular seem to bring out the worst of it. Yes, scarcity can justify a premium in California, but “off roster” doesn't automatically mean whatever number the seller decides to put on it.

Offering $600 on a fairly priced $1,000 gun is ridiculous, but asking $4,500 for something realistically worth $2,500 and hoping somebody who doesn't know better will bite is the other side of the same coin. Buyers are free to make offers, sellers are free to say no, and ultimately the market decides.

So yeah, offering $600 on a fairly priced $1,000 gun is ridiculous. But asking $4,500 for something realistically worth $2,500 and hoping somebody who doesn't know better will bite is the other side of the same coin.

Buyers are free to make offers, sellers are free to say no, and ultimately the market decides. A ridiculous offer takes about three seconds to decline or ignore.

(And if the alternative is consignment, where you're often giving up 20–30% of the selling price anyway, not to mention the mandatory waiting period before the gun can even be sold, why not list it here at a realistic price and give a fellow member a decent deal while still putting more money in your own pocket?)

You really gotta be careful when it comes to paying a premium on off roster pistols and when/if you do, expect a loss, maybe a huge loss.

Paying nearly 3x what the gun costs in a free state (an accurate value of the the gun) and trying to get your money back is generally not a good move.
 
1400 + $350 (22% tax) + shipping + FFL transfer $80 = so about 1900 plus dros.
18.75% tax here. I don't really include the tax in my decision making unless there is a really good reason to, it's just the cost of doing business. Paying more for brand new with a warranty is often worth it
 
Maybe I have been lucky, but every single item I have sold was a very respectable no BS offer/acceptance process. There are a couple of weird low balls are "creative" trade offers, but for me, its been the exception. I have zero issues with the classified here, and its my go-to.
It’s pretty wild to me that we all know the extra 11% tax is BS but some people in the classifieds justify it when selling

Since the 11% tax went into effect I have not bought anything new. Selling your used gun at a new price stating “you will save on all extra taxes or go ahead and buy new and pay the extra taxes” that’s like being this 💩ty ass state adding a sin tax 😂
 
I know I could make more but honestly I don’t care to. 1200 is a great price and it will sell one day. I’m in no rush. If anything I’ll just give it away to someone I know or sell it to them for $300
you could be my friend if you’re getting rid of it for 300 haha
 
18.75% tax here. I don't really include the tax in my decision making unless there is a really good reason to, it's just the cost of doing business. Paying more for brand new with a warranty is

you could be my friend if you’re getting rid of it for 300 haha
467 messages and no trades means your probably the one sending lowball messages
 
Never understood why I should get butt hurt over being low-balled. Since it is the Internet, I simply can ignore the offer. If I respond, I provide a "No, but thank you" response. Zero reason to justify my price.
 
467 messages and no trades means your probably the one sending lowball messages
I am going to one dollar bob your ass on that tikka though. At some point. Soon(ish)tm


Come On Down Price Is Right GIF by Justin
 
Look at my prices and tell me they are not realistic. I could easily get close to this after my local 15% consignment fee
Since you asked me directly, I actually looked at all three of your ads. No, I don't think your prices are generally unrealistic, but I think there's a difference between “realistic asking price,” “what someone will actually pay today,” and “what I could net after consignment.”

The BCM/LWRC at $1,200: I don't think that's crazy considering the BCM complete upper, LWRC lower, Geissele trigger and Geissele charging handle. But it's still a used mixed-build AR, and those are notoriously difficult to sell for the sum of their components. RustVendor's $1,339 new LWRC isn't apples-to-apples, but it's absolutely relevant because that's another option sitting in front of the same buyer. I think $1,000–1,100 would be a perfectly reasonable offer, while $1,200 is also a reasonable price to hold out for if you're in no hurry. As RustVendor pointed out, you'd probably recover more of the premium parts' value by selling them separately.

The Echelons: $600 without the COA seems reasonable to me. $1,100 with the COA feels high. Springfield's factory 4.0C/COA package had an MSRP around $1,119, and we've seen complete new packages advertised nationally around $800. The COA may be roughly a $600 optic new, but putting a $600 optic on a $600 used pistol doesn't automatically make it a $1,200 used package. Accessories generally depreciate harder, and the package buyer has to specifically want that optic. I'd see roughly $950–1,000 as more attractive. $1,100 isn't insane, but it's getting awfully close to new-package MSRP.

The Tikka T3x TAC A1: I think this is your strongest price. $1,600 for a ~30-round left-handed 6.5 Creedmoor looks completely reasonable. Comparable., used TAC A1s are in roughly the $1,500–1,750 neighborhood, with left-handed examples sometimes higher. $700 for the Tenmile HX doesn't strike me as unreasonable either, so I think your $2,300 combined price is defensible. The $4,600 you spent OTD isn't really relevant to its used value, but you're already recognizing that yourself by asking about half of it.

As far as consignment, if your local shop really only charges 15%, that's a very good consignment rate compared with the 20–30% I've commonly seen. But even at 15%, to net $1,200 they have to sell the rifle for about $1,412; to net $1,100 on the Echelon/COA they need about $1,294; and to net $2,300 on the Tikka package they need about $2,706. Plus there's the consignment waiting period we already discussed. So I wouldn't automatically equate your current PPT asking prices with what you'd “easily” net by consigning them.

The part I do think is inconsistent is your treatment of the G19 Gen 4. You said anyone paying more than $500 for one is a sucker because an Echelon is a better gun for the money. That's a perfectly valid reason for you not to buy one, but it doesn't determine market value. If G19.4s are changing hands in the CA PPT market for $700–900, that's their market value whether either of us thinks they're worth it or not. Otherwise someone can make exactly the same argument about your rifle: “Anyone paying $1,200 for a used BCM/LWRC build is a sucker when I can buy a complete new LWRC for $1,339.” Their preference doesn't make your rifle worth $700 any more than your preference for an Echelon makes his Glock worth $500.

So to answer your question directly: No, I don't think you're wildly overpriced. I think the Tikka is fair, the bare Echelons are fair, the AR is defensible but I'd expect negotiation, and the COA package is high. But I also don't think it's fair to call buyers lowballers based on what you think their stuff should be worth while expecting them to recognize every dollar of value in yours.
 
You really gotta be careful when it comes to paying a premium on off roster pistols and when/if you do, expect a loss, maybe a huge loss.

Paying nearly 3x what the gun costs in a free state (an accurate value of the the gun) and trying to get your money back is generally not a good move.
Very true. I've been burned several times by guns suddenly showing up on the Roster. I rationalize it as a usage "tax" I've paid to have something before it's generally available. That plus no LCI / MD is worth a premium to me as well.

One example, I bought an Echelon 4.5f about a year + before it hit the Roster for around $1000, and the comp slide a little later. When the CA version came out and I saw what people had to endure to remove the MD I felt like it was worth it.
 
Very true. I've been burned several times by guns suddenly showing up on the Roster. I rationalize it as a usage "tax" I've paid to have something before it's generally available. That plus no LCI / MD is worth a premium to me as well.

One example, I bought an Echelon 4.5f about a year + before it hit the Roster for around $1000, and the comp slide a little later. When the CA version came out and I saw what people had to endure to remove the MD I felt like it was worth it.
Echelon isn't that bad! Have you ever seen what it takes to strip down a vp9? It's shocking
 
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