Poll Red Dot or Not on your CCW weapon?

[EliteArmoryCV]

"Every gunfight is Open division and God is holding the timer" - Chuck Pressburg

any of my pistols that will be used for putting points in the board, competition or against somebody else, are all wearing red dots. I dabble in iron sights at matches academically, but pistol RDS provide such a huge advantage in any situation that I consider it almost mandatory in this day and age for defensive/duty- use.

 

[bcj68]

"Every gunfight is Open division and God is holding the timer" - Chuck Pressburg

any of my pistols that will be used for putting points in the board, competition or against somebody else, are all wearing red dots. I dabble in iron sights at matches academically, but pistol RDS provide such a huge advantage in any situation that I consider it almost mandatory in this day and age for defensive/duty- use.

I'm still working at it. I've found during competition I'm still a little faster with the irons - but I have 30+ years experience with irons.

 

[EliteArmoryCV]

I'm still working at it. I've found during competition I'm still a little faster with the irons - but I have 30+ years experience with irons.

I grew up with irons, but at the end of that period, started learning about target focus instead of front sight focus from a Frank Proctor class. I switched to dots a couple years later and my eyes were already visually trained for how you're supposed to shoot dots.

I used the same index on presentation for red dot guns that I do with irons and the dot appears center window 99% of the time, excluding fouled draws. I switch back and forth between irons and red dot and can still shoot irons passably, but I am now much faster and accurate with optics. It's all dryfire!

 

[SDDAVE56]

While I like the idea of a sight on my ccw I have 2 reasons to go against it.

1) I want to keep my ccw as light weight as possible.
2) I have astigmatism and so far the dots show up double if not triple for me. And I've tried all three colors

Try the red with the black ring around it.

 

[Gawernator]

No - that’s why I said the odds are in favor of the red dot - it brings too many positives. All I’m saying is that how you set up your gun using some items (like a trigger or safety deletion) CAN give the prosecutor or plaintiffs attorney something to play with. (Like the AZ officer who had a questionable phrase on his AR dustcover).

In some counties, such as Alameda and Contra Costa - the county prohibits the use of lights and red dots on CCW guns. (Don’t ask me why - bad decisions based on bad theories…).

Maybe I wasn’t super clear on that - so I apologize. Red Dots are not necessarily a criminal issue - unless you miss and hit an innocent person due to being a bad shooter with a red dot and they’d have to prove that…. Civilly I suspect someone will try to make hay with it at some point but as long as the facts are good you should be good.

Seems the bigger issue would be using a dangerous and deadly off roster Glock not approved for civilian sales.

 

[Gawernator]

that essentially proves that everyone else is being massively overcharged

My instructor in sac charges $40 also

 

[Gawernator]

My Osight K feels so uncool.

Even the poors need optics too, don’t feel bad

 

[Gawernator]

No - that’s why I said the odds are in favor of the red dot - it brings too many positives. All I’m saying is that how you set up your gun using some items (like a trigger or safety deletion) CAN give the prosecutor or plaintiffs attorney something to play with. (Like the AZ officer who had a questionable phrase on his AR dustcover).

In some counties, such as Alameda and Contra Costa - the county prohibits the use of lights and red dots on CCW guns. (Don’t ask me why - bad decisions based on bad theories…).

Maybe I wasn’t super clear on that - so I apologize. Red Dots are not necessarily a criminal issue - unless you miss and hit an innocent person due to being a bad shooter with a red dot and they’d have to prove that…. Civilly I suspect someone will try to make hay with it at some point but as long as the facts are good you should be good.

That’s why it’s FUD. There’s nothing to base that feeling off of. Sure if you write “eat and die” on the slide and put a punisher logo yeah that’s gonna look bad in court lmao.

You’re all focusing so much on stuff that barely matters when how and why the shooting happens is 99% of the legality

 

[bcj68]

Even the poors need optics too, don’t feel bad

I’ll be honest - the Osights I’ve checked out thus far seem pretty solid. Kind of what Holosun used to be.

 

[bcj68]

That’s why it’s FUD. There’s nothing to base that feeling off of. Sure if you write “eat and die” on the slide and put a punisher logo yeah that’s gonna look bad in court lmao.

You’re all focusing so much on stuff that barely matters when how and why the shooting happens is 99% of the legality

I think we agree. Red dots are a good thing. It’s the stupid stuff that will give the other side something to throw at the wall. (Red dots are not, or at least shouldn’t be one of those things.) Civilly I’ve seen cases go bad over peripheral stuff (not a red dot…), but civil court is kind of a different animal.

 

[RustVendor]

My instructor in sac charges $40 also

Not that part, the IA fees!

 

[Gawernator]

I think we agree. Red dots are a good thing. It’s the stupid stuff that will give the other side stuff to throw at the wall. Civilly I’ve seen cases go bad over peripheral stuff.

Like what? Link up the cases, it’s all public record.

 

[bcj68]

Like what? Link up the cases, it’s all

Seems the bigger issue would be using a dangerous and deadly off roster Glock not approved for civilian sales.

I’m waiting to see some lawyer try that. I’m hoping they won’t but the way our state tried to ban them because they’re too dangerous for us civilians to have - I expect it at some point..:

 

[RocketF22]

Try the red with the black ring around it.

Do u have a link to a specific optic?

 

[RocketF22]

Never shot the ACRO P-2 but it is not as massive so better for ccw. RCR has a much wider window, easier to see.

The Trijicon RCR features a noticeable blue tint on its glass, which comes from the signature polarizing notch filter Trijicon uses to maximize red dot brightness and battery efficiency. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Why the Blue Tint Exists

• • Notch Filter: The coating reflects specific wavelengths of light to make the 3.25 MOA red dot pop clearly against targets.
  • Sun Glare Reduction: Many users find that the darker hue helps cut down and manage bright sun glare outdoors.
  • Legacy Design: This blue-tinted signature is standard across many classic and modern Trijicon optics, such as the legacy RMR series. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Performance Impact

• • Clarity: While visible when looking through the optic, the tint does not hinder target acquisition during active use.
  • Comparison: Compared to competitors with completely clear glass like the Aimpoint ACRO P2, the Trijicon RCR exhibits a much stronger blue hue. [1]

My Lanta! For the cost of the red dot I can buy a new gun!

 

[JackRydden224]

Like what? Link up the cases, it’s all public record.

I think it's most likely a prosecution tactic to sway the jury emotionally rather than a legal point of attack based on facts.

Any decent lawyer will point out that none of those cringe punisher or skull accessories which are strictly cosmetic are illegal nor do they make an otherwise legal shooting illegal. This line of logic is akin to saying the clothes you wear plays a role whether a shoot is a good shoot or a bad shoot.

 

[Nomad]

My Lanta! For the cost of the red dot I can buy a new gun!

I think this right here is a big reason so many people still run irons. The cost of a RDS plus potentially machining the slide to fit.

 

[RocketF22]

I think this right here is a big reason so many people still run irons. The cost of a RDS plus potentially machining the slide to fit.

I mean there are cheaper effective dots. This is just extreme for a normal user for carry

 

[Nomad]

I mean there are cheaper effective dots. This is just extreme for a normal user for carry

I agree the Trijicon and Acro’s are at the top of the spectrum, but even run of the mill Holosun’s are 3-400. Add a plate or machining and it goes up fast.

 

[RocketF22]

I agree the Trijicon and Acro’s are at the top of the spectrum, but even run of the mill Holosun’s are 3-400.

O sight xr seems to be the go to budget friendly but quality option