CCW Contra Costa County

[NorCalBusa]

The CCSD is now referring Brentwood residents to the city. This leaves them in limbo as the city has not yet developed their program. Typical.

I can tell you Brentwood is NOT CCW friendly.

Curious, what makes you say that?

 

[DIYPSCM]

Curious, what makes you say that?

When I originally started my CCW journey I started with the City... they gave me an application that looked like a copy of a copy of a copy... literally unreadable. The general attitude was "don't bother".

 

[davidf8322]

Just did my qualifications, the range master didnt even look at my firearms. All he asked was for me to double check the serial numbers and load some magazines.

Just did mine and had the same. He didn't look at anyone's firearms

 

[Michael the Beloved]

CRPA is litigating lengthy application times currently in the Federal Court against the LA County Sheriffs.

Not with any other county within the state, in any of the other three federal District Court regions.

Litigation is costly and time-consuming… so it’s not feasible to go after a bunch of difficult counties, who will fight this issue … and have the deep pockets of the county to litigate it.

If their litigation is successful, they will then move on throughout the state, in other counties and other police agencies, to enforce compliance with the 120 day statute for processing applications. CRPA has sent demand letters to noncomplying, counties (like the LAPD), but these entities ignore it, as there is no repercussion, or political pushback for non-compliance.

Sadly, these counties are getting away with it, and until litigation in the federal courts or the DOJ forces compliance, long weights in Contra Costa County will continue.

On a more positive note, the US DOJ, had Attorney General Pam Bondi sending out a public letter to the LA sheriffs that they are being investigated for civil rights violations by not processing the applications timely. This is huge because the DOJ is investing Federal resources to investigate and ultimately litigate this in federal Court to obtain a federal consent decree. A Biden and/or Kamala Harris administration would have never done this to help us.

Expect LA county to fight this tooth and nail, and I’m afraid this will get bogged down in the courts for years, with the Democrats in Sacramento and LA County, hoping a future change in the Presidential Administration, will cause this civil rights investigation to be abandoned. However, if the Attorney General does succeed…forcing LA county to timely comply with a consent decree, this will be used as a model to coordinate with CRPA to get other police entities throughout the state… including Contra Costa County, to comply.

It will also be used as a model to force the few other Democrat states with shall issue permit systems, like New York, New Jersey, Hawaii, Connecticut, Washington DC and Maryland, to increase their processing of applications.

In LA County, anti-gun Sheriff Luna is refusing to comply by complaining that he needs additional funding by the board of supervisors in order to speed up compliance with the application process. The board of supervisors are refusing to grant him additional funding because they don’t want to help applicants, but also because the Sheriffs have a habit of demanding a bigger budget and then using the money they get on other pet projects instead (not for the originally you’re marked reason).

So the board of supervisors, in this anti-gun county are not sympathetic with the civil rights of CCW applicants. Which is why CRPA’s litigation is gonna take years, but hopefully the DOJ‘s separate investigation might speed up this whole process.

This is the same problem in Contra Costa County. The Board of supervisors are not rushing to increase funding for the sheriffs to quickly process these applications. The anti gun forces in Contra Costa are doing their best to maintain the status quo, until they are forced to speed up the process due to litigation. There will not be a political title wave of voters demanding to oust/recall the current board of supervisors, unless they increase funding to speed up the application processing, because a vast majority of the voters are opposed to CCW permits and concealed carry altogether. This is what happens when the tides turn against us in the cultural wars, and the population locally and throughout the state becomes heavily anti gun. The local and state political process are closed to us as as local politics and the local courts refuse to assist us. Thus only the federal court system, coupled with the federal presidential administration, is our only hope for relief from these violations… and countless others that make it difficult to possess firearms throughout the state.

Help is on its way, yet it’s not on its way fast enough, for those whose applications are languishing for years, and the current system is also acting as a deterrent to dissuade folks from applying since it will take so long, and SB2 severely limits where your permitted firearm it can be carried

 

[Least Deranged Nowi Fan]

Anyone know if +10 mags are not allowed? I was under the impression they were okay when I got the permit and the website doesn't mention capacity, but apparently according to some guy on reddit who emailed the sheriff Magazines also count as a banned mod???

 

[cep55]

Anyone know if +10 mags are not allowed? I was under the impression they were okay when I got the permit and the website doesn't mention capacity, but apparently according to some guy on reddit who emailed the sheriff Magazines also count as a banned mod???

You mean mags with more than 10 rounds? It’s illegal to even own them in CA now.

 

[dang]

renewal permit picked up 2 and half weeks after expired. Could have opted to qualify earlier so no lapse but had prior commitment on day qual was available. Also, was given just plastic, no more additional paper card.

 

[dang]

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This is the same problem in Contra Costa County. The Board of supervisors are not rushing to increase funding for the sheriffs to quickly process these applications. The anti gun forces in Contra Costa are doing their best to maintain the status quo, until they are forced to speed up the process due to litigation. There will not be a political title wave of voters demanding to oust/recall the current board of supervisors, unless they increase funding to speed up the application processing, because a vast majority of the voters are opposed to CCW permits and concealed carry altogether. This is what happens when the tides turn against us in the cultural wars, and the population locally and throughout the state becomes heavily anti gun. The local and state political process are closed to us as as local politics and the local courts refuse to assist us. Thus only the federal court system, coupled with the federal presidential administration, is our only hope for relief from these violations… and countless others that make it difficult to possess firearms throughout the state.

Help is on its way, yet it’s not on its way fast enough, for those whose applications are languishing for years, and the current system is also acting as a deterrent to dissuade folks from applying since it will take so long, and SB2 severely limits where your permitted firearm it can be carried

In addition to litigation, let's intensify a CoCo 2A advocacy campaign in Contra Costa with CoCo CRPA https://crpa.org/chapter/contracostacountychapter-home/ . Mobilize more Contra Costa pro-2A voters

 

[captain america]

You mean mags with more than 10 rounds? It’s illegal to even own them in CA now.

not if you bought them during freedom week

 

[dsotnyk]

Anyone know if +10 mags are not allowed? I was under the impression they were okay when I got the permit and the website doesn't mention capacity, but apparently according to some guy on reddit who emailed the sheriff Magazines also count as a banned mod???

1. Detective from the Sheriff's gun range said "no". I tried to dig into, like is this official position and where can I find anything from Sheriff's department on this topic - got nothing. Just opinion

2. CCW department refused to give any answer and playing opossum.

Here is the full log

Dear ...,

what is the position of the Contra Costa Sheriff's Office on standard capacity mags (more than 10 rounds) with CCW carry? Legally possessed, of course.

I know that some counties, e.g. LA are fine - "Magazine capacity is not restricted. However, the use of any magazine with a capacity above 10 rounds is only permitted if the applicant is in legal possession of such magazine."

Thank you so much.
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Good afternoon,

Our policy is strictly no modifications to the firearm; this includes no extended capacity or extended magazines.

Thank you!
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.....,

thank you for the answer. May I ask a bit more to make sure we are on the same page?

Not extended, nothing fancy or oversized. Strictly factory standard for the gun, for example 17rnd for Glock 17 or 15rnd for Glock 19.

Nothing beyond the magwell, same shape and dimensions as 10rnd, just normal capacity, exactly like from Glock factory. The only difference is capacity, it is standard, like on Glock page.

Strictly like here -
https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g17

Many thanks for your help

Sincerely,

No response received after this

3. I know people who carry 10 and people who carry 15 or 17 freedom mags. But this is a gray area, typical FUD. Everyone should decide on their own, I'd prefer to be on the safe side.

4. Guys, we need to spam them with this question. Through e-mail and through paper mails. And involve CRPA or whoever can help. The more people - the better.

Write them to ccwpermits@so.cccounty.us and tell that
- it's a hypothetical question, you want to understand Sheriff's office position
- for the case of legally obtained and owned mags
- standard factory mags, not oversized and not extended

Here is the template I've just used (IANAL)

Dear CCW department officer,

Could you help us to find an answer to the question we are confused with?

What is the position of the Contra Costa Sheriff's Office on mags with capacity over 10 rounds with CCW carry, which are
- more than 10 rounds capacity
- legally obtained and possessed, of course.
- standard factory magazine dimensional size (not extended, not oversized, same dimensions as 10rds)
- no modification to a gun in any way, just standard dimensions of a magazine with capacity more than 10 rounds.

I know that some counties, e.g. LA are fine - "Magazine capacity is not restricted. However, the use of any magazine with a capacity above 10 rounds is only permitted if the applicant is in legal possession of such magazine." , but what is the position of our county?

Thank you so much for your help.

Sincerely,

5. My experience with PD, including SFPD is very positive, but looks like CCW is also a new thing for them, so they don't have the answers yet. We need to work with them to clarify all this and, you know, maybe influence them a bit.

 

[NorCalBusa]

^ I think a less threatening effort would be to ask for their CCW Policy. All of it with any updates since it was last reviewed. Then pour a 'cupa and read the thing.

 

[Saber Tactics]

Hi guys! We haven't had too many CoCo County applicants in our classes, but we wanted to introduce ourselves to you guys. We are one of the CCW companies based out of San Mateo County (a cop run firearms training company) and we are expanding our classes and range locations to better take care of you guys. We have classes at least once a week, and in August we will be starting classes at Richmond Rod and Gun, as well as our main location at Los Altos Rod and Gun. Our lecture and exam are 100% online with an in person training and qualification, so it's very convenient for applicants. Shoot us a message if you have any questions or check out our website at the link below. I hope we'll see you guys in class!

 

[Trauma]

Anyone recently try to apply in Pinole ?

Coco sheriff says apply through Pinole.

Pinole PD says doesn’t have a system in place yet, apply through Coco.

Applied through Coco, permit withdrawn and stated need to apply through Pinole .

 

[bazooka]

Anyone recently try to apply in Pinole ?

Coco sheriff says apply through Pinole.

Pinole PD says doesn’t have a system in place yet, apply through Coco.

Applied through Coco, permit withdrawn and stated need to apply through Pinole .

Oh boy.

We're going to go through some pains as this gets sorted out. It's only at the end of last year that the county decided to hand the responsibility over to many different cities.

I'm in Walnut Creek and have a county permit. I still have a long time till it expires, but I don't know how it will go at renewal time. The Walnut Creek website doesn't support renewals. I have a feeling I'm going to be considered a new license to them and have to pay a lot more than I would for a renewal. Walnut Creek's fees are way higher than the county's.

Good luck with Pinole. I'm looking forward to hearing anyone's further input on your issue.

 

[Trauma]

Yea I’m currently a permit holder in San Mateo County but recently moved to Pinole. So sounds like after my “90 days after you move your permit expires “ I’m at the mercy of the system again.

Would CRPA do anything for me ?

 

[Hindsight]

1. Detective from the Sheriff's gun range said "no". I tried to dig into, like is this official position and where can I find anything from Sheriff's department on this topic - got nothing. Just opinion

2. CCW department refused to give any answer and playing opossum.

Here is the full log


No response received after this

3. I know people who carry 10 and people who carry 15 or 17 freedom mags. But this is a gray area, typical FUD. Everyone should decide on their own, I'd prefer to be on the safe side.

4. Guys, we need to spam them with this question. Through e-mail and through paper mails. And involve CRPA or whoever can help. The more people - the better.

Write them to ccwpermits@so.cccounty.us and tell that
- it's a hypothetical question, you want to understand Sheriff's office position
- for the case of legally obtained and owned mags
- standard factory mags, not oversized and not extended

Here is the template I've just used (IANAL)

5. My experience with PD, including SFPD is very positive, but looks like CCW is also a new thing for them, so they don't have the answers yet. We need to work with them to clarify all this and, you know, maybe influence them a bit.

You're going to want to be careful about spamming your IA. San Bernardino residents found that out the hard way when they kept spamming their IA's office about freedom week mags and standard capacity magazines being able to be carried and the Sheriff's office just decided it was easier to have their own policy of restricting it to 10 rounds instead. Sometimes some ambiguity may be better than the overly narrow clarification you get in response to a question - an answer you may not have wanted to know, because now it's out there on record.

Also, I'd caution just people generally to make sure your freedom week mags are ... actually freedom week mags. In both senses of the word. That should be obvious, but I think some gun owners are too new to understand that.

 

[Gawernator]

You're going to want to be careful about spamming your IA. San Bernardino residents found that out the hard way when they kept spamming their IA's office about freedom week mags and standard capacity magazines being able to be carried and the Sheriff's office just decided it was easier to have their own policy of restricting it to 10 rounds instead. Sometimes some ambiguity may be better than the overly narrow clarification you get in response to a question - an answer you may not have wanted to know, because now it's out there on record.

Also, I'd caution just people generally to make sure your freedom week mags are ... actually freedom week mags. In both senses of the word. That should be obvious, but I think some gun owners are too new to understand that.

This is why we can't have nice things

Why ask a question and give them an idea for a new rule when it didn't exist

 

[DIYPSCM]

My understanding is CC County will renew CC County permits.

Aside... I'm putting my house in Brentwood up for sale, I limited my new residence search to CCC for that reason.

 

[Gawernator]

My understanding is CC County will renew CC County permits.

Aside... I'm putting my house in Brentwood up for sale, I limited my new residence search to CCC for that reason.

Dang, Brentwood is so nice. Can't even afford to live where I went to HS since the houses went up 3-4x in value.

 

[DIYPSCM]

Dang, Brentwood is so nice. Can't even afford to live where I went to HS since the houses went up 3-4x in value.

I bought my house in 1999 for $370... listing for $850. I couldn't buy my own house.