Dereliction of CA DOJ

[Experimentalist]

In the last 2+ months the CA DOJ has approved 11 handgun models for addition to the roster: https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/recently-added

Four of those approvals are merely different colors of a pistol already on the roster (the Walther PDP. Awesome pistol... I'm pretty sure it functions the same whatever color one chooses).

And yet I keep hearing there are several firearms companies (Kimber for example with the 2k11) are eager to have their product "blessed" for sale in the State.

Some simple math, from a simple person. Let's say Joe DOJ rolls into the office 'round.... 9:30. After a nice cup of coffee and banter with office mates they wander into the lab, and drop test a firearm. Then it's time for lunch. After a hasty 2 hour lunch they spend an hour and a half writing up the results for that sole drop test... Then knock off to the local bar.

That gives a pistol a day for approval. I know, I'm a slave driver. But that math yields 5 approvals a week, or (5 * 4) = 20 pistol approvals a month.
Let's say the manager at DOJ isn't such a slave driver. Half that output still yields 10 pistols a month. Right now we're averaging less than 5 approvals a month.

I appreciate the NRA, CRPA, and others are busy fighting the good fight on (too) many fronts. I suppose my primary purpose in this post is to simply vent. One tries to be patient. To give grace for slight after slight delivered by those who are supposed to serve, for cravenly selfish political gain.

Eventually there reaches a threshold where one begins to seriously contemplate voting with their feet, to move to a Free State - and taking the sales and income tax revenue with them.

I know I'm not solving anything here, no novel solutions to offer. Just a frustrated rant.

Thanks for listening.

 

[Drivedabizness]

Once you remember that the ONLY reason they are adding ANY models is to be able to claim in Court that they continue to add new models - in an attempt to bolster the false claim that they are NOT actively doing they can to suppress gun sales/commerce.

 

[Battle]

Bureaucrats gonnna bureaucrat.

 

[Experimentalist]

Once you remember that the ONLY reason they are adding ANY models is to be able to claim in Court that they continue to add new models - in an attempt to bolster the false claim that they are NOT actively doing they can to suppress gun sales/commerce.

You make a good point, and I suppose after all the years of deliberate discrimination against "Gunnies", I should be used to it by now.

 

[BONECUTR]

After a nice cup of coffee and banter with office mates they wander into the lab, and drop test a firearm.

This doesn't happen. I've never submitted a gun for the roster but from what I have been told.

When a MFG things they have one good to go they get the application from the CADOJ and submit 3 firearms (I believe) to one of the two approved labs (one in IL/one in MD)

The lab if the firearm passes notifies CADOJ directly. The Mfg submits all the paperwork and pays the fee.

Then it just a matter of the CADOJ adding the firearm. I know the CADOJ gets a sample of each gun, not sure if the lab or the MFG sends it but they keep it in their vault. I assume to make sure the MFG doesn't try to change things.

So in short..... its way less work than the tiny amount of work you thought.

 

[Gravel]

I’m told I was wrong about the 3 - 1 rule.. I found the deleted handgun list and thought it was relevant. Crap.. AI failed again..

<Since we remove 3 guns for each new gun added to the roster, I’d encourage limited, thoughtful additions. No new colors, that’s a waste of available weapons. And this provides a direct path to very few (actually, somewhere between one and three, depending on how the last few play out..) guns on the roster, typical of CA regulation overreach.


“California's "3-for-1" handgun rule requires that for every new semiautomatic pistol added to the approved roster, three older models must be removed. There is no single master list tracking these exact individual swaps; instead, the California Department of Justice constantly updates separate live logs for Recently Added Handguns and De-Certified/Removed Models. [1, 2, 3, 4]

How the Roster Adjustments Work

• • Additions: Manufacturers submit new handguns for independent laboratory drop and firing tests, and compliance with features like loaded chamber indicators. [1]
  • Removals: When new semiautomatic pistols join the roster, older grandfathered or lapsed certifications are stripped to satisfy the statutory 3-for-1 offset. [1, 2]
  • Tracking Status: Because changes occur dynamically upon recertification failures or new product entries, buyers and sellers must check the state’s live databases rather than a static catalog”>

 

[Gravel]

Removed Handgun Models

oag.ca.gov

Some depressing reading, thanks to the legislature, its friends in the CADOJ, and its unconstitutional, unelected regulatory staff.

 

[MK6M9]

In the last 2+ months the CA DOJ has approved 11 handgun models for addition to the roster: https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/recently-added

Four of those approvals are merely different colors of a pistol already on the roster (the Walther PDP. Awesome pistol... I'm pretty sure it functions the same whatever color one chooses).

And yet I keep hearing there are several firearms companies (Kimber for example with the 2k11) are eager to have their product "blessed" for sale in the State.

Some simple math, from a simple person. Let's say Joe DOJ rolls into the office 'round.... 9:30. After a nice cup of coffee and banter with office mates they wander into the lab, and drop test a firearm. Then it's time for lunch. After a hasty 2 hour lunch they spend an hour and a half writing up the results for that sole drop test... Then knock off to the local bar.

That gives a pistol a day for approval. I know, I'm a slave driver. But that math yields 5 approvals a week, or (5 * 4) = 20 pistol approvals a month.
Let's say the manager at DOJ isn't such a slave driver. Half that output still yields 10 pistols a month. Right now we're averaging less than 5 approvals a month.

I appreciate the NRA, CRPA, and others are busy fighting the good fight on (too) many fronts. I suppose my primary purpose in this post is to simply vent. One tries to be patient. To give grace for slight after slight delivered by those who are supposed to serve, for cravenly selfish political gain.

Eventually there reaches a threshold where one begins to seriously contemplate voting with their feet, to move to a Free State - and taking the sales and income tax revenue with them.

I know I'm not solving anything here, no novel solutions to offer. Just a frustrated rant.

Thanks for listening.

there is only one true answer to all this

 

[MK6M9]

I should be used to it by now.

this is in part of the problem, and this is how it got this far. we allowed it

 

[BONECUTR]

I though Boland v Bonta or one of those has a hold on the add 1 remove 3 since the PC includes all the microstamping nonsense.
Think the goal was for every roster gun to having microstamping but since its not a requirement currently they cant remove the 3 for 1.

 

[Tere_Hanges]

The CADOJ doesnt even do the drop testing. An independent lab does it.

 

[Sloat]

Since we remove 3 guns for each new gun added to the roster, I’d encourage limited, thoughtful additions.

This is bad info. This law was never enacted.

 

[JackRydden224]

This reminds me that we are supposed to get the P211 GT4 and GT5 by now.

 

[Experimentalist]

This reminds me that we are supposed to get the P211 GT4 and GT5 by now.

Those and the Kimber 2k11, and who knows what else.

A right delayed...

 

[Gravel]

This is bad info. This law was never enacted.

Dang.. the internet is wrong again..

My bad.

 

[Experimentalist]

Dang.. the internet is wrong again..

My bad.

Glad you're here Gravel. And glad you were wrong.

 

[Brandon Breeze]

As with any other gubment agency/dept/waste of time & $, CA DOJ is accountable to no one, so they will continue slow rolling whatever they want and doing essentially whatever they want. They have our taxpayer dollars to create and defend whatever nonsense they can come up with.

 

[RustVendor]

If you add up the roster fees it probably pays for 1 staff level employee and an admin, I would get they don't even have one person working full time on the roster. This program wouldn't be paid with general funds it's paid by the fees.

 

[Experimentalist]

If you add up the roster fees it probably pays for 1 staff level employee and an admin, I would get they don't even have one person working full time on the roster. This program wouldn't be paid with general funds it's paid by the fees.

I was going to add there's an 11% tax on firearm sales, but of course that's not used to the benefit of the firearms community.

According to Google:
The 11% state excise tax on retail firearm and ammunition sales in California (enacted via AB 28) is deposited into the Gun Violence Prevention and School Safety Fund. This money is spent on state programs for:

• Gun violence prevention and community intervention programs
• • School safety improvements and security infrastructure
  • Mental health and counseling services
  • Research and education programs regarding firearms

(Note: This state-level tax is separate from the long-standing federal Pittman-Robertson 10%–11% excise tax on firearms and ammunition, which is spent nationally on wildlife restoration and public target-range construction.)

So our money is used against us. "Research and education". I know how that goes, having a Nephew who graduated an S.F. Bay area high school not so very long ago.

Edited to add: Hell, I'll do the approval processing for free. Sign me up.

 

[RustVendor]

I was going to add there's an 11% tax on firearm sales, but of course that's not used to the benefit of the firearms community.

According to Google:
The 11% state excise tax on retail firearm and ammunition sales in California (enacted via AB 28) is deposited into the Gun Violence Prevention and School Safety Fund. This money is spent on state programs for:

• Gun violence prevention and community intervention programs
• • School safety improvements and security infrastructure
  • Mental health and counseling services
  • Research and education programs regarding firearms

(Note: This state-level tax is separate from the long-standing federal Pittman-Robertson 10%–11% excise tax on firearms and ammunition, which is spent nationally on wildlife restoration and public target-range construction.)

So our money is used against us. "Research and education". I know how that goes, having a Nephew who graduated an S.F. Bay area high school not so very long ago.

Edited to add: Hell, I'll do the approval processing for free. Sign me up.

The fun part is we pay 11% with Pittman Robertson already included so it's a tax on a tax.