Banned for CCW: 1911, Weapon Lights, Red Dots, Lasers, limit 2 Weapons per person

[Dvrjon]

Just learned today of the sickening limits set by Contra Costa County (pop. 1.2m) for their CCW licensees.

No more than 2 weapons allowed.

This appears to be a carry-over from the SB 2 provision that licensees may carry no more than 2 CCW guns at one time.
So, they screwed up and established a constraint which is actually supported by a current statute.

Here’s their whole list (scroll down to “training and a weapons”, click, then scroll to weapons. Please note the prohibitions on any modifications:

 

[Toshiro Mifune]

I’m in a different County but…

The off duty LEO that did my training said that the gun with which I qualified could not be modified after qualification and his inspection.

I did not argue but noted that he did not write down or otherwise record the modifications that were already obviously present on the firearms. Those modifications included a red dot, aftermarket barrel, and guide rod. The barrel stands out because its uncoated and silver in color on a Glock.

Has anyone seen an Issuing agency record the presence of modifications or the lack their of?

I am not worried as my guns are legally configured in a different County. I just bring it up to say that was my experience.

 

[westsidearms]

It is wild that a Sig P238 is not allowed for CCW in this county, but a Ruger LCP Max 380 is.

 

[newgen5]

FWIW the class instructor said adding a light or optic to the gun after getting the CCW in CoCo is a no no, not just in the county but anywhere in the state. If you were to put a red dot on your carry gun outside of CoCo county you'd be in violation and the CCW could be revoked.

 

[smokeyfs]

Just applied for my CCW and after reading through the policies, I feel like the only place I’m allowed to carry is in my home in my tighty whities. Everywhere else is banned from carry essentially. I don’t understand how they can restrict people like that

 

[DIYPSCM]

It is wild that a Sig P238 is not allowed for CCW in this county, but a Ruger LCP Max 380 is.

I have a very nice P238-HD that's relegated to under a couch cushion.

 

[rfgCA]

Just applied for my CCW and after reading through the policies, I feel like the only place I’m allowed to carry is in my home in my tighty whities. Everywhere else is banned from carry essentially. I don’t understand how they can restrict people like that

"Catch-all" is a distinctively american legislative and regulatory way.

 

[tomrkba]

Sheriff of CCC sounds like a real shi+ Bagg... what a douche... I guess I'm lucky to live in Rivco...

Wrong attitude. Everyone from the neighboring counties should show up and fill that space. This is the best way. VCDL does it constantly and the strategy works. The way to win is to show up!

 

[Wolkenflieger]

Man, I feel bad for people living in CoCo. I'm in Riverside County which is very CCW friendly. I don't miss living north of the wall...

 

[MrRottenRob]

Does anyone know if we are allowed to change the slide and barrel with a different factory slide and barrel? I have a M&P Shield Plus and I'm considering getting the 4" Shield Comp (made by Smith and Wesson) slide and barrel? It's technically a modification but I could have bought it in that configuration

Edit: Contra Costa CCW

 

[han_solo]

Do you also watch Armed Scholar?

I wouldn't listen to either of them if I were you.

You mean you don't want to hear about another game changing 6-3 supreme Court decision that changes the 2a landscape forever ... Lolololol

 

[newgen5]

Does anyone know if we are allowed to change the slide and barrel with a different factory slide and barrel? I have a M&P Shield Plus and I'm considering getting the 4" Shield Comp (made by Smith and Wesson) slide and barrel? It's technically a modification but I could have bought it in that configuration

Edit: Contra Costa CCW

Pretty sure the serial # on the barrel or slide has to match the S/N on your permit.

 

[MrRottenRob]

Pretty sure the serial # on the barrel or slide has to match the S/N on your permit.

Yeah, the serial is on the frame (not on the slide or barrel)

 

[dsotnyk]

Pretty sure the serial # on the barrel or slide has to match the S/N on your permit.

Doubt it.

Reasons
1. On CCW you have a gun's serial, not barrel or slide.
2. There is no requirement that serials of barrel or slide should match to gun's serial
3. There is no way to track that slide or barrel was replaced later.

My personal decisions
1. I'd not modify a gun to a state that it obviously will not pass an inspection. And this is it.
2. I don't know how CCC IA treats 3rd party slides, is this considered modification or not, since I prefer to keep factory for reliability. Just ask them directly by mail.
3. I have no doubt to replace factory to factory, serialized or not, except, obviously, frame itself.
4. I have no doubt to change sights (moreover, at the qualification some guns already had non-factory iron sights and later I installed night sights)

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Does anyone know if we are allowed to change the slide and barrel with a different factory slide and barrel? I have a M&P Shield Plus and I'm considering getting the 4" Shield Comp (made by Smith and Wesson) slide and barrel? It's technically a modification but I could have bought it in that configuration

Edit: Contra Costa CCW

I can speak for Glocks. No, they don’t mind the serial of the barrel being different as long as it’s the same exact OEM. I asked, in a way that if the barrel is ever shot out, and needs to be replaced, since Glock serializes their barrel and it’s a European thing to do that; would that be considered a modification? They said it’s ok as long as it’s the same Oem barrel; just no aftermarket barrels. Should be the same for the slide; Oem is ok, just not aftermarket.

In your scenario, I would ask the IA directly. That’s a little different, that would almost be the equivalent of trying to make a Glock 19 into a Glock 19c. I don’t own a smith and Wesson pistol yet; so I would ask.

In that scenario, I wouldn’t have it on the permit yet. I would try to ask the IA, if I could just find a FFl dealer to do a consignment reject (equivalent to the old pawn shop return) to re-dros it. It might cost you nothing at all (if you bought the gun from them) or a small fee for their time of holding it for 30 days but that’s why it’s good have a good relationship with mom and pop instead of big box stores. Or if you want a shorter time then you find someone you trust to ppt to and then ppt back to yourself. That ways on record it shows as the comp version? But I would also ask about that since you are legitimately making it to factory Oem spec but also making sure the paperwork is correct with the DOJ and also matches what is listed on the permit. What they would see is the new dros anyways not the old; shield comp instead of shield plus.

Or you could ask them if you would even need to do the re-dros at all. They might or might not even care but I would ask if they are ok with it. It could be that they might not be ok with either with the re-dros or without the re-dros. I would send an email.

 

[Hit Factor]

Pretty sure the serial # on the barrel or slide has to match the S/N on your permit.

Why? What are you basing this on? The frame is the firearm, not the barrel or slide.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Seems like contra costa county has some attention elsewhere.

California County Bans CCW Accessories - Survival World

On a recent episode of Gun Owners Radio, hosts Michael Schwartz, Alisha Curtin, and Dakota Adelphia dug into a policy out of California’s Contra Costa County

www.survivalworld.com

“Adelphia said the issue first came to her via a former student with a Contra Costa permit who was barred from carrying a pistol with a red dot. Skeptical at first, Adelphia looked up the county’s rules and then phoned the CCW desk at the Contra Costa County Sheriff’s Office. According to her account, the staffer confirmed the ban but offered no justification beyond, “It’s our policy,” adding that the policy was “not up for debate.” Curtin says the call ended abruptly after she asked for context. That exchange, bureaucratic and opaque, became the spark for a larger on-air discussion.”

New Rule: No Red Dots, No Lasers, No Lights on Your Carry Gun

New Rule: No Red Dots, No Lasers, No Lights on Your Carry Gun - Survival World Gun rights YouTuber William of Copper Jacket TV sounded genuinely stunned in a recent breakdown of a new concealed-carry restriction he found in California: a county-level rule that bans red-dot optics...

community.usconcealedcarry.com

California County Bans CCW Accessories

California is out of control. On a recent episode of Gun Owners Radio, hosts Michael Schwartz, Alisha Curtin, and Dakota Adelphia dug into a policy out of California’s Contra Costa County that restricts what concealed carriers can actually carry. As Adelphia discovered, the county forbids...

nygunforum.com

 

[Fishnbeer]

I have my permit in CoCoCounty and have p365 and G19 on my permit. Both totally stock except for trijicon HD's. Im not a red dot guy anyway, but after carrying for a couple years now I gotta say smaller is better. Trying to stuff a bare glock 19 in your waistband all day is hard enough, add a weapon light and red dot and its gonna be even more uncomfortable

 

[Dvrjon]

The host (of Red Jacket) said this one still “struck [him] as so outrageous” he had to share it.

We knew about this a long time ago. Red Jacket posted this as a nothing burger to boost traffic to his site. Then, USCCA makes it a feature article.

Here’s the news flash: If Duncan v. Bonta is not certified for SCOTUS hearing, the concept of accessories not being arms and thus, not subject to 2A protection, takes hold. Every aftermarket element to a firearm would become subject to regulation. Sites, improved triggers, improved grips? All able to be banned as accessories not necessary to the function of the gun.

 

[Markbsae]

That's just odd

My IA bans 5.7x28 specifically.