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Law Appeals Court Blocks California’s Background Checks for Ammunition Buyers - (7-24-2025)

I would not put it past the CADOJ to go after the recipients of mail order ammunition in CA. Then come down hard on them, just to make an example. When dealing with anti gun 🍌, we have to assume the worst.
They would have to go after thousands of people at this point.

Should I buy or wait? That’s the question!!
 
They would have to go after thousands of people at this point.

Should I buy or wait? That’s the question!!
Buy. Just hope that you aren’t the person(s) the CADOJ would make an example of. It would help if the Federal Courts had any teeth and the SCOTUS were more than just fence sitters. But alas that is way to much to expect.
 
Honestly with how backed up the online sellers are, it might be too late already to buy. This is going to get shut down quickly (IMO). By the time they would actually get around to shipping your order, it will most likely already be over.
I want to give you a like, but I don’t like what you are saying, unfortunately you are probably correct.
 
Honestly with how backed up the online sellers are, it might be too late already to buy. This is going to get shut down quickly (IMO). By the time they would actually get around to shipping your order, it will most likely already be over.
As long as they print the shipping label before, it's ok. Sort of like if you drive drunk and make it to your driveway w/ a cop code 3. home base and you're safe!
 
They would have to go after thousands of people at this point.

Should I buy or wait? That’s the question!!
No, not thousands. Only a half dozen, but then ask for the maximum penalty, which might be something like 360 days in jail. That should be enough deterrent. Might require some forum shopping to get the right judge, but both sides are very good at that. In small counties there is often only one judge who hears certain classes of cases (like one for felonies and family law, one for misdemeanors and traffic), so you can easily predict which judge you'll get.

And even if you don't get a conviction, or only a symbolic penalty, the cost of defending the suit would be enough deterrent.

I very much doubt the DoJ would do that at this point. They would probably go after anyone who has a license from the DoJ (like FFLs) though.

Subpoena the records of the sellers. Their names can be found everywhere.
 
It would not be very hard to find an ordnance marked carrier package and follow it to a CA recipient. I suspect there will be thousands of them inbound this weekend alone.
Do you have an FFL03/COE? Have you ever wondered how the ammo you order with a FFL03 gets delivered without any of the delivery people or anyone from local or state law enforcement agencies knowing you are permitted by law to order and receive it? The answer is that they don’t know, and they don’t care.
 
Subpoena the records of the sellers. Their names can be found everywhere.
Under what authority could a California court subpoena the records of a business completely outside of its jurisdiction? And even if they did, what could a California court do if an out-of-state business ignored its subpoena? The state’s only hope would be diversity jurisdiction in federal court, but that would require a civil lawsuit with an amount in controversy exceeding $75,000.
 
Under what authority could a California court subpoena the records of a business completely outside of its jurisdiction? And even if they did, what could a California court do if an out-of-state business ignored its subpoena? The state’s only hope would be diversity jurisdiction in federal court, but that would require a civil lawsuit with an amount in controversy exceeding $75,000.
Maybe send some bounty hunters across state lines to arrest the seller, like what happened to the batmobile guy :ROFLMAO:. But i doubt it. https://abc7news.com/post/batmobile...nfidential-report-san-mateo-sheriff/12954540/
 
Do you have an FFL03/COE? Have you ever wondered how the ammo you order with a FFL03 gets delivered without any of the delivery people or anyone from local or state law enforcement agencies knowing you are permitted by law to order and receive it? The answer is that they don’t know, and they don’t care.
I have ordered and had delivered hundreds of thousands of cartridges in my life. There has always been a huge hazmat declaration pasted on the box often accompanied by a live ordnance declaration. I don’t have nor will I ever have an FFL of any kind, so that reference is lost on me. With that, any agency with enough motivation can identify and track a parcel containing ordnance. It would not be that difficult, this is not 1977.
 
I have ordered and had delivered hundreds of thousands of cartridges in my life. There has always been a huge hazmat declaration pasted on the box often accompanied by a live ordnance declaration. I don’t have nor will I ever have an FFL of any kind, so that reference is lost on me. With that, any agency with enough motivation can identify and track a parcel containing ordnance. It would not be that difficult, this is not 1977.
Google “FFL03.” Just knowing about ordering ammo with a FFL03 will help you to reduce your FUD dramatically.
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It would not be very hard to find an ordnance marked carrier package and follow it to a CA recipient. I suspect there will be thousands of them inbound this weekend alone.

Again - how? That would require likely thousands of warrants to enter and search every UPS, FedEx, DHL etc. truck, warehouse, shipping hub etc.
 
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