AB 1127 Glock ban

[SomeOne]

If this passes, I wonder if they will find a way to not allow glocks on ccw permits.

If you legally allowed to own it, it's unlikely they will prohibit it from CCW permits

 

[Malibu]

If you legally allowed to own it, it's unlikely they will prohibit it from CCW permits

You underestimate our politicians. In their desperate attempts to out do every other democrat controlled state, nothing is off the table. They have been emboldened by the aid of the 9th, and the inaction of SCOTUS.
But we will see. I hope you are right, but won’t count on it.

 

[westsidearms]

If you legally allowed to own it, it's unlikely they will prohibit it from CCW permits

Did we ever get verification that there are no IAs that limit you to roster guns? Does anything, anywhere state the IAs cannot limit you to roster guns?

 

[Dvrjon]

Did we ever get verification that there are no IAs that limit you to roster guns? Does anything, anywhere state the IAs cannot limit you to roster guns?

How can one “verify” that? There are 58 sheriffs and around 330 municipal police chiefs. All can issue CCWs, so maybe there is a policy out there. But if there was, it would probably have reached the attention of CA gun boards like this one.

With that, in 15 years of playing this game, the only instance of confusion I’ve seen is when some IAs required registration of the guns and some folks confused it with being on roster. There were a number of discussions on this a few years ago on CalGuns,

Within the statute, the IA has the unfettered authority to authorize firearms for carry. With that, they also have the inherent authority to not authorize firearms. Often we see limits on calibers, but the exclusion your IA put on your AR pistols shows they can independently not authorize specific guns for the licenses they issue.

Sac Sheriff lists on their website the following unacceptable calibers:

5.56 or .223
7.62 or .308
7.62x39 or the AK cartridge
5.7 x 28mm
30 carbine
Rifle caliber weapons (AR-Pistol, AK-Pistol, etc.)

Orange County states:

• “AR Pistols” and similar firearms are NOT allowed at this time.

There are probably others. But I doubt they prohibit off-roster firearms.

 

[SomeOne]

Did we ever get verification that there are no IAs that limit you to roster guns? Does anything, anywhere state the IAs cannot limit you to roster guns?

The only IA requiring roster-only guns was Ventura Sheriff's Office many-many moons ago. They dropped the requirement since then.

 

[Dvrjon]

The only IA requiring roster-only guns was Ventura Sheriff's Office many-many moons ago. They dropped the requirement since then.

Thnaks for digging that one up. VCSO did make that mistake but it was short lived.

 

[gant2k1]

Well it’s pretty much going to pass watching the bill tracking the votes on each step is overwhelming in favor of the bill

Now it’s at the third reading where it will get the same overwelming votes

I’m not well versed on bills but quick google search shows it’s on to the senate next which they will more than likely pass then off for Newscum to sign

 

[Pythonfan]

Has the legislature stepped in and EXEMPTED individual law enforcement officers yet?

 

[Dvrjon]

Has the legislature stepped in and EXEMPTED individual law enforcement officers yet?

You mean this? Jun amendment:

27595(c) This section shall not apply to any of the following:
(1) A machinegun-convertible pistol delivered to a firearms dealer prior to January 1, 2026.
(2) The sale of a machinegun-convertible pistol to any of the following entities for lawful use in the discharge of their official duties:

(A) A police department, sheriff’s office, probation department, marshal’s office, district attorney’s office, the California Highway Patrol, the Department of Justice, the Department of Corrections andRehabilitation.

(B) Any state agency listed in paragraph (6) or paragraph (7) of subdivision (b) of Section 32000.
(C) The military or naval forces of this state or of the United States.

 

[Dvrjon]

Put these two together:

From the Senate Committee on Public Safety, June 19, 2025, Pages 9/10):



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From the B&L Productions, Inc. v. Newsom, the 9 CA Opinion included (Page 23, 2d para):



The B&L decision isn’t referenced in any of the analyses, so the Legislature, although they were warned of other constitutional impacts on this issue, may not be aware that this is going to be litigated in the light of a 9 CA opinion which hold specifically against it. If you’re going to contact your legislators on this, make sure they understand that this type of action is already viewed by the courts as Unconstitutional.

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[Pythonfan]

You mean this? Jun amendment:

I saw nothing, in what you quoted, exempting individual law enforcement officers from the ban on acquiring "machine gun convertible pistols" i.e. glocks and their like.

What you quoted exempts agencies from the ban.

 

[Dvrjon]

I saw nothing, in what you quoted, exempting individual law enforcement officers from acquiring "machine gun convertible pistols" i.e. glocks and their like.

What you quoted exempts agencies from the ban.

You need to read the references….

27595(c) This section shall not apply to any of the following:
(B) Any state agency listed in paragraph (6) or paragraph (7) of subdivision (b) of Section 32000.

CA Pen 32000(b)(6):

(6) Subject to the limitations set forth in subdivision (c), the sale or purchase of a handgun for use as a service weapon, if the handgun is sold to, or purchased by, any of the following entities for use by, or sold to or purchased by, sworn members of these entities who have satisfactorily completed the POST basic course or, before January 1, 2021, have satisfactorily completed the firearms portion of a training course prescribed by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training (POST) pursuant to Section 832, and who, as a condition of carrying that handgun, complete a live-fire qualification prescribed by their employing entity at least once every six months:

 

[Pythonfan]

Thank you. I missed that.

Well that seals the deal that PORAC won't step in to help us.

 

[Pythonfan]

Anyone have thoughts on this bill being "shelved"?

 

[USMC06RET]

Anyone have thoughts on this bill being "shelved"?

By "shelved" do you mean it's being delayed in the legislature along with some other legislation while the redistricting issue is dealt with? Or is there something else I'm unaware of?

 

[Pythonfan]

No I think you summed it up.

 

[USMC06RET]

No I think you summed it up.

From what I understand, AB-1127 has passed the house and the bill was sent to the Senate and referred to the suspense file for the Senate Appropriations Committee.

So, you ask what's the "suspense file"? A really good question and I had to refresh my memory on it and found this article that explains it better than I ever could: https://www.capradio.org/articles/2...-a-california-bill-dies-without-public-debate

I hope this answers your question.

 

[davethebull]

From what I understand, AB-1127 has passed the house and the bill was sent to the Senate and referred to the suspense file for the Senate Appropriations Committee.

So, you ask what's the "suspense file"? A really good question and I had to refresh my memory on it and found this article that explains it better than I ever could: https://www.capradio.org/articles/2...-a-california-bill-dies-without-public-debate

I hope this answers your question.

Sounds like they are waiting for the new Democrat Governor, to not force Newsom to sign it.

 

[Dvrjon]

Sounds like they are waiting for the new Democrat Governor, to not force Newsom to sign it.

No. Everything moved to the suspense calendar due to the budget and recess. With the special session, everything is still on suspense. When they reconvene the General Session, the bills will have been racked and stacked to sort out actions which will cost money vs. those which are policy only. During this time, advocates for both sides have been lobbying to move bills out (pass) or leave them on suspense to die.

We’re gonna see a few days of hundreds of bills passed or ignored without input from the public.

 

[star.3d]

FYI, AB-1127 passed out of the suspense file today. AB-1078, AB-1263, and SB-704 as well: