WTF Glendale

[Wolkenflieger]

Most of that is highly illegal in CA lmfao. They even scan your PC and fail the car if it has a tune now.

Hah no issues like that with a Tesla and it's quick AF right out of the gate with no performance mods. Registration is expensive in CA though coz we don't pay gas tax.

I'm just glad i never have to worry about gas, oil leaks/changes, or smog checks ever again.

 

[Wolkenflieger]

Yeah my worry is more what could come up in a Civil Case (which will come after a shooting) or even a Criminal Case where some liberal Lawyer/DA standing in front of a Jury spouting off . . .

"The defendant not only shot my poor client on his way to church, he did it with a gun called a HELLCAT that had one of those deadly accurate Red Dots. Yep the kind the snipers and hitmen use. The Defendant could have shot my client in the leg instead he kilt him with his deadly Red Dot HELLCAT Semi Auto Killing Machine! Not only that he was on a gun forum talking about how to sneak an OFF ROSTER Semi Auto Killing Machine onto his CCW"

This would definitely work with a jury of liberal white women...

 

[Skilly]

Most of that is highly illegal in CA lmfao. They even scan your PC and fail the car if it has a tune now.

There is tune, and then there is tune, drop CATs, and run race gas. A stage 1 tune is not gonna get you a visit to the ref, especially if you are buttoned down everywhere else. It'll certainly risk a warranty issue but not much more than that and even that is not guaranteed. Tint will get you a removal ticket but a lot of LEO want to give you a warning because it keeps an everlasting excuse in place to pull you over should they feel like it.

Nothing else I mentioned will get you as much as some side eye. The question I have is what kind of mods are you doing that get you in that kind of trouble!

 

[dvoncock]

The article is wrong and those “crimes” are misdemeanors. Or course the media would be misrepresenting facts when it comes to a self defense shooting in SF haha.i guarantee he is thankful he was carrying that day otherwise the outcome would be much worse.

They can be filed as misdemeanors or felonies. From reviewing the public docket, I can tell that the case was file as a felony. From what I can tell, it also looks like he might’ve ended up with a felony conviction too.

 

[dvoncock]

I don't think this is accurate. I got charged with carrying without a license, carrying within city limits and poss. of AW when I was in the Navy, got the felony AW dropped to a misdemeanor and the carrying charges dismissed in the interest of justice, and Sac Sheriff didn't really care and issued my permit. Wasn't even a big deal in the interview. I also had a TRO filed against me by my ex gf, in which the judge denied the full order, still got CCW.

Agree. Very few misdemeanors result in a loss of firearms rights in California. And off the top of my head, I can’t think of a firearms possession that is one of the exceptions.

 

[Hindsight]

I don't think this is accurate. I got charged with carrying without a license, carrying within city limits and poss. of AW when I was in the Navy, got the felony AW dropped to a misdemeanor and the carrying charges dismissed in the interest of justice, and Sac Sheriff didn't really care and issued my permit. Wasn't even a big deal in the interview. I also had a TRO filed against me by my ex gf, in which the judge denied the full order, still got CCW.

When was this again? I think I had heard this before, but the misdemeanor portion of the wobbler banning firearms ownership is a relatively new addition under SB902. PC 25400.

As for whether a charge like that will prevent successful approval of a CCW, I guess that could be the case. 10 years is also a long time before you could even apply by which maybe they would think a person would have learned their lessons. In the current setup though where there aren’t centralized requirements or criteria well defined, I would still assume a lot of that came down to the discretion of the IA. It very well might prevent you from being approved with an IA like LAPD or contra costa.

 

[Gawernator]

Agree. Very few misdemeanors result in a loss of firearms rights in California. And off the top of my head, I can’t think of a firearms possession that is one of the exceptions.

When was this again? I think I had heard this before, but the misdemeanor portion of the wobbler banning firearms ownership is a relatively new addition under SB2.

As for whether a charge like that will prevent successful approval of a CCW, I guess that could be the case. 10 years is also a long time before you could even apply by which maybe they would think a person would have learned their lessons. In the current setup though where there aren’t centralized requirements or criteria well defined, I would still assume a lot of that came down to the discretion of the IA. It very well might prevent you from being approved with an IA like LAPD or contra costa.

Well, as of 2026 a ton of new charges were added that make you prohibited in CA, which is insane tbh. This happened in I think 2018, I remember I was in the reserve so that sounds right. Also in my favor are not having other crimes, I am a licensed PI, honorably discharged GWOT veteran, security clearance holder etc, however I have no idea if any of that even matters to their grading criteria. So maybe Sac Sheriff is just lenient, or they gave me a pass for the circumstances. Also I was extremely forthcoming with every detail on my app, that probably helps a ton. I think I interviewed well too. Hard to say tbh. LAPD doesn't actually seem that strict, they don't even put any restriction on the CCW lol

 

[Hindsight]

Well, as of 2026 a ton of new charges were added that make you prohibited in CA, which is insane tbh. This happened in I think 2018, I remember I was in the reserve so that sounds right. Also in my favor are not having other crimes, I am a licensed PI, honorably discharged GWOT veteran, security clearance holder etc, however I have no idea if any of that even matters to their grading criteria. So maybe Sac Sheriff is just lenient, or they gave me a pass for the circumstances. Also I was extremely forthcoming with every detail on my app, that probably helps a ton. I think I interviewed well too. Hard to say tbh. LAPD doesn't actually seem that strict, they don't even put any restriction on the CCW lol

The honorably discharged veteran bit might, but neither prosecutors nor your IA would have any kind of visibility into your clearance status and no FSO or equivalent would verify it if called about it. You could bring up TS/SCI yourself and they wouldn’t know what that meant nor how much more involved of a process it is background check, CI/full scope poly, reporting, etc. wise.

 

[Gawernator]

There is tune, and then there is tune, drop CATs, and run race gas. A stage 1 tune is not gonna get you a visit to the ref, especially if you are buttoned down everywhere else. It'll certainly risk a warranty issue but not much more than that and even that is not guaranteed. Tint will get you a removal ticket but a lot of LEO want to give you a warning because it keeps an everlasting excuse in place to pull you over should they feel like it.

Nothing else I mentioned will get you as much as some side eye. The question I have is what kind of mods are you doing that get you in that kind of trouble!

My golf is pretty modded but no even with a "stage 1 tune" you can't pass because they check the ECU checksum against the stock tune file. Of course you could just flash back and forth. I have a downpipe, suspension, tuning and other mods. It makes about 400 ft lbs torque out of a 1.8L I-4 lol. Sadly motor had detonation at around 190k miles and haven't gotten around to replacing it

anyways

 

[Gawernator]

The honorably discharged veteran bit might, but neither prosecutors nor your IA would have any kind of visibility into your clearance status and no FSO or equivalent would verify it if called about it. You could bring up TS/SCI yourself and they wouldn’t know what that meant nor how much more involved of a process it is background check, CI/full scope poly, reporting, etc. wise.

I did think it's funny the CCW card puts your job on front of the card.

 

[Dvrjon]

When was this again? I think I had heard this before, but the misdemeanor portion of the wobbler banning firearms ownership is a relatively new addition under SB902. PC 25400.

Please check your references….

SB 902 didn’t impact CA PEN 25400. Here’s 25400’s history line:

(Amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 15, Sec. 543. (AB 109) Effective April 4, 2011. Amending action operative October 1, 2011, by Sec. 636 of Ch. 15, as amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 39, Sec. 68. Section operative January 1, 2012, pursuant to Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 10.)

SB 902 added a 10-year prohibition on firearms for anyone convicted of misdemeanor animal cruelty under CA PC 592. If such a person is found in possession of a firearm, they may be tried as a misdemeanor.

The text added by SB 902 to CA PEN 29805 was:

(g) Any person who is convicted on or after January 1, 2025, of a misdemeanor violation of subdivision (a) of Section 597, and who, within 10 years of the conviction, owns, purchases, receives, or has in possession or under custody or control, any firearm is guilty of a public offense, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment.

So, the issue you’re citing hinges on prohibition due to animal abuse.

CA PEN 597.- (a) Except as provided in subdivision (c) of this section or Section 599c, a person who maliciously and intentionally maims, mutilates, tortures, or wounds a living animal, or maliciously and intentionally kills an animal, is guilty of a crime punishable pursuant to subdivision (d).​

 

[Gawernator]

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SB 902 didn’t impact CA PEN 25400. Here’s 25400’s history line:


SB 902 added a 10-year prohibition on firearms for anyone convicted of misdemeanor animal cruelty under CA PC 592. If such a person is found in possession of a firearm, they may be tried as a misdemeanor.

The text added by SB 902 to CA PEN 29805 was:

So, the issue you’re citing hinges on animal abuse.

https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/media/Firearms-Prohibited-Categories.pdf

Looks like the possession charge does now have a ten year ban? Illegal possession of an assault weapon, if convicted on or after January 1, 2026. (Cal. Penal Code § 30605.)

 

[Hindsight]

Please check your references….

SB 902 didn’t impact CA PEN 25400. Here’s 25400’s history line:


SB 902 added a 10-year prohibition on firearms for anyone convicted of misdemeanor animal cruelty under CA PC 592. If such a person is found in possession of a firearm, they may be tried as a misdemeanor.

The text added by SB 902 to CA PEN 29805 was:

So, the issue you’re citing hinges on prohibition due to animal abuse.

I think you’re correct. It may have been SB2 and not 902.

 

[Hindsight]

https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/media/Firearms-Prohibited-Categories.pdf

Looks like the possession charge does now have a ten year ban? Illegal possession of an assault weapon, if convicted on or after January 1, 2026. (Cal. Penal Code § 30605.)

Ah, yah. I’ve seen this before. Page 4 halfway ish down is where it spells out the concealed firearms restrictions and tie in to the 10 year ban.

 

[Dvrjon]

https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/media/Firearms-Prohibited-Categories.pdf

Looks like the possession charge does now have a ten year ban? Illegal possession of an assault weapon, if convicted on or after January 1, 2026. (Cal. Penal Code § 30605.)

Yes. Illegal possession is in 30605, but the prohibition citation you want is CA PEN 29805 (h):

(h) Any person, who is convicted on or after January 1, 2026, of a misdemeanor violation of Section 24610, 27530, 29185, 29186, 30605, 30610, 32900, 33215, or 33600, and who, within 10 years of the conviction, owns, purchases, receives, or has in their possession or under their custody or control any firearm, is guilty of a public offense, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment.

Animal cruelty is in subdivision (g).

 

[Gawernator]

Ah, yah. I’ve seen this before. Page 4 halfway ish down is where it spells out the concealed firearms restrictions and tie in to the 10 year ban.

 

[dvoncock]

I’m not going to cull the entire Penal Code for an exhaustive list. But here’s a limited summary.

Firstly, all felony convictions result in a lifetime firearms prohibition.

In terms of misdemeanors, offenses classified as crimes against person or domestic violence (which depends on the relationship with the victim, rather than what laymen consider “violence”) usually result in a 10-year prohibition.

PC 25850 (carry loaded firearm) misdemeanors generally don’t result in a firearm prohibition, even with prior firearm convictions. One exception is 25850 in conjunction with a crime against person or drug offense. Also, 25850 by a non-registered owner may result in a prohibition.

PC 25400 (concealed on person or vehicle) misdemeanors also don’t generally result in a firearm probation. The exceptions follow the same pattern as above.

PC 30605 (posses assault weapon) misdemeanors do currently result in a 10-year firearms prohibition. Same with PC 30610 (posses .50 BMG rifle), PC 32625/32900 (posses or transport machine gun/multi-burst trigger), and PC 33215 (SBR or shotgun).

 

[donmatteo]

Yeah my worry is more what could come up in a Civil Case (which will come after a shooting) or even a Criminal Case where some liberal Lawyer/DA standing in front of a Jury spouting off . . .

"The defendant not only shot my poor client on his way to church, he did it with a gun called a HELLCAT that had one of those deadly accurate Red Dots. Yep the kind the snipers and hitmen use. The Defendant could have shot my client in the leg instead he kilt him with his deadly Red Dot HELLCAT Semi Auto Killing Machine! Not only that he was on a gun forum talking about how to sneak an OFF ROSTER Semi Auto Killing Machine onto his CCW"

You are not wrong sir.

That is also my fear of anything they can use to make it sound like I was a gun nut with an itchy trigger finger.

 

[No_glonks]

Kostas Moros is on the case!

 

[lactoast]

Kostas Moros is on the case!

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I would hope so! It’s astonishing that they made this decision while there’s an ongoing lawsuit about unreasonable fees. It’s as if they’re begging to be sued.