Why I don't frick with mag locks

[Dvrjon]

SHOTGUNS AND RIFLES​

Nonconcealable firearms (shotguns and rifles) are not generally covered within the provisions of California Penal Code section 25400 and therefore are not required to be transported in a locked container. However, as with any firearm, nonconcealable firearms must be unloaded while they are being transported.

REGISTERED ASSAULT WEAPONS​

California Penal Code section 30945, subdivision (g) provides that registered assault weapons may be transported only between specified locations and must be unloaded and stored in a locked container when transported.

Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment.

Note these are TRANSPORT rules. Storage rules for hangduns require the case to be out of plain sight.

 

[ef9boy88]

My most recent RAWs were registered in 2021 and the builds were not expensive by any means.

Pretty sure those are BBRAW which require a Bullet Button.

 

[GeeQ87]

I’ve heard of people using the Maglatch to keep it compliant when they transport the firearm then just popping it out at the range.

I’m not saying that’s what I do lol BUT it is easily removable for when shooting outside of the state

 

[Reinvestorsac]

Every time the AW laws change, the state opens the AW registry.
Every time you have the OPTION to register an AW, do it.
Most people are afraid to register and those are the people that have to play the featureless vs fixed-mag game.

When is the last time this happened? I never heard about this, pretty amazing

 

[jarhead714]

I’ve heard of people using the Maglatch to keep it compliant when they transport the firearm then just popping it out at the range.

I’ve heard CADOJ likes to peruse gun forums too….

 

[Dvrjon]

I’ve heard CADOJ likes to peruse gun forums too….

As do the anti-gun groups. And they have been for decades.

Nobody seems to understand that this is true. However, here’s an example from 2006 of an email from the Brady group to Alison Merrilees who was chief legal for OAG’s Firearms Division. The Brady guy is introducing himself and referring her to CalGuns postings.



Merrilees responds with:


I doubt that they are less vigilant now. The only comfort in this is that they have had to weather the trials and tribulations on that site along with us.

Best.

 

[AR15barrels]

Pretty sure those are BBRAW which require a Bullet Button.

2021 were not BB guns.
The 2021 registry opening was for "other" assault weapons.
"other" assault weapons never had bullet buttons because they were neither rifles, shotguns or pistols that all the prior assault weapon laws were written for.

An "other" is basically a 16"+ barrelled carbine without a stock.
Remember that a brace was not a stock for a while and a braced "other" did not need to have a fixed magazine because it was neither a rifle, shotgun or pistol.

 

[AR15barrels]

When is the last time this happened? I never heard about this, pretty amazing

2021 "Other" AW
2018 Bullet Button AW
2005/6 50bmg Rifles
2001 Named AW round 2 as well as the beginning of features list.
1990 Named AW

 

[xrMike]

Every time the AW laws change, the state opens the AW registry.
Every time you have the OPTION to register an AW, do it.
Most people are afraid to register and those are the people that have to play the featureless vs fixed-mag game.

If I registered some bullet button and/or featureless rifles during the 2018 CA registration period, can I remove the bullet buttons and retard-fin-grips now, on those registered rifles, and convert them all to "free state" configurations?

Do the 2018 CA AW registration period rules allow us to do that?

Thanks for your advice.

 

[21SF 2.0]

If you want to train/fight - featureless
Looks normal/cool- mag lock etc

 

[ar15robert]

If I registered some bullet button and/or featureless rifles during the 2018 CA registration period, can I remove the bullet buttons and retard-fin-grips now, on those registered rifles, and convert them all to "free state" configurations?

Do the 2018 CA AW registration period rules allow us to do that?

Thanks for your advice.

If you registered it as a bullet button rifle then yes you can take the fin grip off of the stupid featureless stock

But will need to keep bullet button

 

[BunnySloper]

As someone who has both. I can tell you that reloading with a featureless rifle isn’t quicker or easier than with a well-tuned maglock system (I also have both the AR Maglock and Freedom Fighter system). Because your inability to grip the rifle a certain way, for reload. The clear advantage for a featureless is the ability to use standard capacity magazine if you have any.

I was researching last night about compmags, maglocks, etc and just decided to keep my rifles featureless. The fin grip's are not pretty but I don't want to buy a special mag or drill my lower or whatever it needs to be done either.

It’s just not about looks to be honest. But to your point, I get it about the whole drilling part. You can get lowers from Juggernaut Tactical with the Freedom Fighter already installed.

 

[muffin_top]

Aw dang, really wanted to see what was being said in that thread discussed in that creepy email but it appears that site is down as usual.

Legalize select fire weapons and free suppressors for all.

 

[Striker777]

Where I shoot it doesn't matter I'm sick of chasing this game and don't do it anymore!! never had a problem ever but just to old to give a shift!!....... featureless is as far as i'm concerned does not give you control of your'e weapon there for it's out maglock no go sorry MHO I shoot my guns the way they are meant to be shot and will not ever change.

 

[Hylander]

I'm with the Op
Featureless all the way.

 

[AR15barrels]

If I registered some bullet button and/or featureless rifles during the 2018 CA registration period, can I remove the bullet buttons and retard-fin-grips now, on those registered rifles, and convert them all to "free state" configurations?

Do the 2018 CA AW registration period rules allow us to do that?

Thanks for your advice.

It depends specifically on which registration you did.
If you registered self-built featureless guns and marked them with FMBUS numbers issued by the state, those have to stay either featureless or go to fixed mag in order to have features as those are not assault weapons.
Assault weapons HAD to be fixed magazine guns with bullet buttons to be registered as assault weapons.
If you registered assault weapons, the regulations during registration required the bullet buttons to stay on.
Those regulations cover the period of the registration process.
Once you have received proof that the registration has been completed, those regulations no longer have any supporting penal code to continue to give them legal force.
Registered assault weapons can use legally owned large capacity magazines regardless of having a standard magazine release or a bullet button.
Mag magnets on bullet button RAWs are not illegal because the specific law that used to make the mag magnet illegal didn't apply to RAWs.

 

[AR15barrels]

If you registered it as a bullet button rifle then yes you can take the fin grip off of the stupid featureless stock

A featureless gun could not be registered as an AW because the law requiring registration of assault weapons was based purely on the guns having features AND a fixed magazine via a bullet button.
The change in laws that opened up AW registration was the re-defining of what a fixed magazine is.
The reason for a fixed magazine either under the old definition or under the new definition is to allow a firearm to have features and avoid that featured firearm from legally being an assault weapon.
Anyone running featureless either before or after the definition change is making their rifle exempt of the assault weapon definitions by not having any features and therefore those guns were not able to be registered as assault weapons.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Mag magnets

I see the mag magnet site still up, these are still for sale?

 

[Mil-Dot]

Or just don't comply period and run it the way it was Intended.

 

[eastbayhunter]

You’re American. If you’re going to own an AR, keep it standard. Unconstitutional laws are just that, unconstitutional. If you are scared of tyrants, find another rifle platform