Open Gear Question What 10 mm do you use for a side arm when hunting?

[Deleted member 36294]

I’m looking to get my hunting site on and I wanna get a 10 mm but I truly do not know what to get in California. Any advice or recommendations with pictures would be appreciated.

I seen that sw has a few new 10mm models that got aprroved on ca roster !!

 

[Deleted member 36294]

We don't have dangerous wildlife in the Ca Backcountry. But if you insist, there's only 3 on the roster, 2m&ps and a kimber. But Ive raised cows and sheep on public lands, been backpacking for 40 years multiple times a year, hunting for the last 10 years and never even heard of a close call with wildlife. I see bears all the time, when you are in areas with hunting pressure they won't even let you get close

 

[Deleted member 36294]

we have rattle snakes for sure lol but can be avoided

 

[RustVendor]

we have rattle snakes for sure lol but can be avoided

For sure, my gsp got rattlesnake training when he was a puppy

 

[Makoman]

Nah I’ve walked through the homeless camps for witnesses in a homicide case before, I’m a detective. 9mm gives me more rounds and more accuracy

The 80’s was 40 years ago. Technology has changed

Technology has definitely changed, and the same technology that has improved the 9 mm has improved all the other calibers as well.

 

[Makoman]

I seen that sw has a few new 10mm models that got aprroved on ca roster !!

Yes. And they have far nicer ergos than the Glock 29 or 20. I've been getting on Smith & Wesson to add the 4 inch model to the roster. I have the 4.6 inch, and would love to replace my Glock 29 with the 4 inch M&P 10mm on my CCW. They added virtually every other model of the M&P except for that one.

 

[JDeltaWhiskey]

In addition to the M&P on roster I'm also interested in someday trying out the FN510, Sig XTEN, and any future 10mm 2011.

 

[techbill]

Glock 40 MOS. Though it took me three years to find one unmolested in California. I even added it to my CCW so I don't have to take it off put it on between hunting locations. Then Buffalo Bore Ammo, though there are some other stuff that may be just as good now.

 

[ar15robert]

I got a g20 10 years ago when I lived in ca. never did get to hunt but did alot of camping and fishing then. Been in az since 2020 and carried it for an elk hunt last year. Also take with me for camping trips here.

Only issue I had was carrying my pack owb holster didn’t work because back pack straps were in way. Got a drop thigh holster it sucked so just ordered an invader concepts recon chest rig.

Last thing you’ll need to reload or get some full power ammo to take advantage of the 10mm. But think any 10mm gun in ca will do.

 

[Deadcoyote]

C'mon guys. I hear this a lot and I just don't get it. Do you guys think it's too powerful? If you can handle a .357 magnum you can handle 10mm. A lot of people falsely believe the 10mm is the ballistic equivalent of .41 mag, and it's not. I would say that .41 mag might be "too much" for CA, but definitely not 10mm.

To explain what I mean, I'll just paste a post of mine from another thread:

"When you start doing your research, you quickly realize the 10mm was developed to duplicate the performance of the .357 magnum in a semi-auto platform. To put things into perspective, the 200 gr 10mm bullet (the original 10mm bullet weight) has virtually identical sectional density to 158 gr .357 projectiles. The 158 gr .357 traveling at ~1250 feet per second was a standard issue LE load back in the day, so to speak. The original 10mm load as developed by Norma was a 200gr bullet at 1200 feet per second. When you piece these tidbits of info together, it becomes pretty evident that the people behind the 10mm were chasing .357 ballistics for the Bren Ten pistol and the 10mm cartridge.

For those that argue 10mm matches .41 magnum ballistics, sure it does. From a minimum 6" barrel, loading them hot as you can, you can enter the weak end of the .41 magnum spectrum just like how you can hot load .40 S&W to equal the watered down 10mm loads.

Many years ago Winchester had loads, Silvertips I believe, in 10mm and .41 that had the same muzzle energies and velocities printed on the box. This is what started the myth that 10mm =.41 magnum. What many people don't realize is that when the .41 mag was developed, there was a magnum load and a watered down "police" load (.41 was originally developed to be a LE load, but S&W decided to magnumize it which resulted in guns that were way too heavy for practical use. Another story for another day). 10mm has suffered as a result ever since. Most people seem to think that the 10mm is a bear gun only when it was also originally developed as a LE round that was meant to give LE .357 performance in a semi-auto package with greater capacity/firepower over a revolver. I've even heard a gun store commando tell people looking at 10mm to go with .357 instead because 10mm is too powerful lol.

For perspective a couple of common 10mm and .357 "bear" loads:

Buffalo Bore HEAVY 10MM OUTDOORSMAN - 220 gr. Hard Cast - FN (1,200 fps/ME 703 ft. lbs)
Buffalo Bore HEAVY 357 MAG OUTDOORSMAN - 180 gr. Hard Cast LFN-GC (1,400fps/M.E. 783 ft. lbs.)

Underwood 10mm 220 gr. Hard Cast- FN (1200 fps/ME 704 ft. lbs)
Underwood .357 180 gr. Hard Cast- FN (1400 fps/ME 784 ft.lbs)

220 grain 10mm and 180 grain .357 have similar sectional densities. Even still, .357 still edges out 10mm, which is why the whole 10mm = .41 magnum argument just doesn't jive. When comparing hangun rounds of different calibers, always compare sectional densities for a more apples to apples comparison, not bullet weights.

My primary EDC is a G29 with 155 grain loads at ~1400 FPS. 155 grain 10mm has virtually identical sectional density as 125 grain .357. The 125 grain .357 @ 1400-1450 fps was for many years considered the ultimate manstopping round with the highest percentage of one shot stops comparrd to other calibers. The 155 grain 10mm at similar velocities mimics that .357 load nicely."

If you guys want a 10mm, don't think it's just for bears. With hard cast loads from some of the boutique ammo makers, sure. But with proper spec 10mm defense loads, you've got 10+1 rounds of .357 magnum performance on tap, more than that obviously for those in free states. I say proper spec because there's a lot of 10mm ammo out there that's barely hotter than 40 S&W. Just go off of the original Norma spec. 200 grains at 1200 fps, and eventually they rleased a 170 grain at 1300 fps.

Oh, and in an ammo crunch, you can shoot .40 S&W out of your 10mm

Anytime someone doesn’t agree with me I find it’s best to cite myself as my source. Really I’m kidding, I don’t disagree with what your wrote.

 

[NapalmCheese]

Another fine reason for a 10mm (or a .41, or .357, or .44) is it can extend your range if you're bow hunting during a general season. Like, say, you decided to take your bow out for pigs and get impatient trying to get close enough. With the right handgun like one of the aforementioned gl9ck 40s you might still get a pig.

 

[painkiller]

Was using my gen 3 G21 with a G20 upper,but since kalifornistan banned these i need to stop as im sitting on a gold mine