Upgrading Glock trigger ?

[2aALLIn]

If you are in the So Cal/LA area give me a call and I will install it for you while you wait.

Where is your shop? I am in Redondo

 

[john323]

Monterey Park 91754
323-722-3903

 

[sjb323]

^^^This^^^. And:

Maglioto is a poor example. His gun was a snub nose revolver which had been modified to a “hair trigger” and was ed to single action. Maglioto’s defense was:

That’s not a self-defense argument, nor is it an indictment of the modified firearm. It’s an argument that he did not intend to shoot. But still, he fired. It was an accident.

Ayoob and other expert consultants agree that if Maglioto had taken the stance that he was in fear of his life and deliberately fired, he would have walked.

Good info, thank you. Yes, this case doesn't sound quite like what we are talking about. A little bit of digging came up with a lot of internet experts giving advice on reddit; but then I came across this GREAT article. Highly recommended reading for anyone who carries. If my kid were in the same predicament as you, I would tell him to just get a carry gun that he likes enough not to mess with. There's plenty of choices (PDP and P365 are at the top of my list), but unfortunately, the roster has given Californians limited options.

An Attorney Reflects on Gun Modifications

armedcitizensnetwork.org

FYI, two of the largest police agencies California do allow very specific trigger modifications to a couple of their duty handguns.

 

[Ron Swanson]

I didn't see what trigger kits you have, but I understand some bypass some of the safeties, if that is of concern to you.

 

[AR15barrels]

I do glock trigger work.
You can make improvements to the pull weight and the overtravel with absolutely no ill-effects on reliability or safety.
You run into reliability problems when you change the striker spring weight to further reduce the pull weight.
Changing the trigger spring to a heavier spring has no effect on reliability but it directly lowers the pull weight.
Polishing all the sliding parts obviously make it smoother.
Eliminating excessive trigger overtravel shortens the shot-to-shot reset distance and well as can make the gun more accurate as you get rid of the excess travel where the gun is loose in your hand as the bullet is moving down the barrel.
I do all this type of work while you wait.
I am just off the 405 in Van Nuys.

 

[xiotek]

I have 3 pistols that I have upgrades trigger kits for and hear different opinions about changing triggers. If the pistol is mostly a home defense and range gun, then I figure that I shouldn’t worry about anything.
What if I do have a time where I end up having to use the pistol in a home defense situation? Will the upgraded trigger be an issue?
I do not have a ccw, so at this time, it will not be an EDC.

I upgraded the triggers on all my Glock pistols w/ the factory Glock (-) minus connector. And yes, it is an official Glock factory manufactured gun part.

 

[Dvrjon]

After a shooting, there are going to be a lot of questions. (Your lawyer should answer them.)
You have no control over what is going to be asked, but you have the ability to keep a single question from turning into a full disussion.

Q: "Have you made or had someone else make, any modifications to the gun you used?"
A: "No".

Alternatively:
A: "Yes".
Q:

• What were they?
• Who made them?
• Are you/they certified to work on the gun?
• Who made the parts?
• What is their failure rate?
• Could these unauthorized modifications have affected the function of the firearm?
• Are you an expert in the function of this firearm?
• Etc.

I like the short version.

 

[RustVendor]

After a shooting, there are going to be a lot of questions. (Your lawyer should answer them.)
You have no control over what is going to be asked, but you have the ability to keep a single question from turning into a full disussion.

Q: "Have you made or had someone else make, any modifications to the gun you used?"
A: "No".

Alternatively:
A: "Yes".
Q:

• What were they?
• Who made them?
• Are you/they certified to work on the gun?
• Who made the parts?
• What is their failure rate?
• Could these unauthorized modifications have affected the function of the firearm?
• Are you an expert in the function of this firearm?
• Etc.

I like the short version.

Do they ask that though? Like if you aren't claiming the gun "just went off" why would they ask about the gun mechanism if you are claiming a lawful self defense?

 

[1911-CV]

Impossible to know beforehand what will be asked in any given case... far too circumstances specific. Have the questions been asked - Yes. Will they come up in some hypothetical circumstance - Maybe.

 

[Dvrjon]

Do they ask that though? Like if you aren't claiming the gun "just went off" why would they ask about the gun mechanism if you are claiming a lawful self defense?

They can ask whatever they want. As part of the investigation, LEOs have to rule out that you screwed up or the gun malfunctioned causing the shooting and you are simply covering yourself with a SD position. Oddly enough, sometimes when folks kill other folks, they lie about the circumstances to avoid punishment.

Honestly saying there are no mods to the gun shuts down an entire area of potential questioning which may lead to answers which conflict with other information.

 

[RustVendor]

That could be true, you aren't wrong that the fewer questions you have to answer the better. I am still curious about any cases where a simple trigger mod got somebody in deeper trouble though. Because unless its like under two lbs a better trigger means more accuracy which is a good thing.

 

[Dvrjon]

That could be true, you aren't wrong that the fewer questions you have to answer the better. I am still curious about any cases where a simple trigger mod got somebody in deeper trouble though. Because unless its like under two lbs a better trigger means more accuracy which is a good thing.

My sense is there are no case law examples as plea bargains often dilute information available to the populace and even if evidence is produced, the case doesn’t go to appeal so there is no record published for research.

Mas Ayoob has been trying to make this argument for decades (even citing Maglioto to make his point). However, even with his broad reach and network of supporters, he has not published any concrete examples of firearm mods being crucial to the conviction of an individual. That, to me, is a telling gap. If the info was out there, MAs would have published it.

Finally, the courts have to determine the probative value or undue prejudice which some evidence might impart to jurors. A prime example of this is the trial in the 2015 Brailsford case. Brailsford was a police officer accused of murdering a subject while on duty. The situation deteriorated when it was learned that Brailsford’s issued AR-15 had an inscription inside the dust cover. When opened, the dust cover asserted, “You’re F…ed”. Prior to trial the judge determined that information wouldn’t be presented to the jury.

Maricopa County Superior Court Judge George Foster found the evidence “totally prejudicial” and ruled it inadmissible.
Foster said although the inscription may have violated department policy, the issue was ancillary.
What mattered, Foster said, was “in those eight to nine minutes, were the actions of the defendant reasonable under the circumstances?”

Basically, what you use is less important than what you actually did. So, when “game time” comes to the court, one side is trying to get prejudicial information into testimony, and the other is trying to keep it out. The judge has an obligation to weigh whether the issue is pertinent to the case. If your gun has a modified trigger, but the trigger has nothing to do with the evidence of the shooting, it isn’t going to get into the court record.

At any rate, if you don’t screw around with your equipment, it can’t be used to screw around with you.

 

[Dvrjon]

… unless its like under two lbs a better trigger means more accuracy which is a good thing.

I know people who can take a firearm with a superb 4# trigger and their accuracy still sux. It’s the Indian, not the arrow.

 

[RustVendor]

I know people who can take a firearm with a superb 4# trigger and their accuracy still sux. It’s the Indian, not the arrow.

Sure, but the reality is it's both. Gen 3 glocks are totally "good enough" but there are a lot of guns that are both more mechanically accurate and practically accurate in a way that's meaningful at 20-30 yards. Its just easier to get those longer shots when your gun has proper grip and a smooth trigger, both of which do not come stock on a gen 3 haha. Can you make shots at that distance? absolutely, but you can make them faster and easier with a "better" gun. And I train with my carry gun so I want it to actually be pleasant to shoot. But I certainly won't fault anyone for doing it however they want to.

 

[Tere_Hanges]

Sure, but the reality is it's both. Gen 3 glocks are totally "good enough" but there are a lot of guns that are both more mechanically accurate and practically accurate in a way that's meaningful at 20-30 yards. Its just easier to get those longer shots when your gun has proper grip and a smooth trigger, both of which do not come stock on a gen 3 haha. Can you make shots at that distance? absolutely, but you can make them faster and easier with a "better" gun. And I train with my carry gun so I want it to actually be pleasant to shoot. But I certainly won't fault anyone for doing it however they want to.

Better have a real good reason to shoot someone at 30yds...

 

[RustVendor]

Better have a real good reason to shoot someone at 30yds...

I agree, but there is one mass shooting every week on average in California and one happened where I live just a few years ago in a place Ive been many times. There's also the factor of practical accuracy going down when under stress so 30 yards in practice may be 15 in reality

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

I.M.O. if the frame is polymer, yes. But a well-reviewed, competent gunsmith, even if you have to travel a bit.

Bad gunsmiths will F- over your polymer framed pistol if off-roster, and attempt to keep it in hopes to get the manufacturer to send a new one with different serial number, so you can't get it anymore, as shown in a r/caguns reddit post few months back.

Polymer frames can get damaged with a slight miscalculation or bad punch.

That is horrible that anyone would do that, F' them for being douche bags.

Having said that, removing the pins in a Glock pistol should require very little pressure from a punch. I know a lot of people struggle with the pin that holds the slide release/slide catch. If someone is getting a punch hammer to tap a glock pin out DO NOT let them work on your Glock.

There is a simple trick to this that makes removing this pin exceptionally easily. Lift up the slide release with one hand and place your punch on the pin with other. Apply a SMALL amount of downward pressure on the punch. I mean a small amount, your hand shouldn't be shaking or have a death grip on the punch. With the slide release lifted, wiggle it back and forth or circle motion s and eventually the slide release will move out of the pin detent and the pin will effortlessly slide out. You are wiggling it up and down in relation to the frame. NOT side to side like you're trying to bend the lever.

The first couple of times you try this, it might take a bit of fiddling and trial and error to hit the sweet spot. Be patient, once you've done it a few times it you'll be able to do it without thinking.

Pic shows the slide release lifted. Use your thumb and pointer finger to wiggle it.

 

[Malibu]

Neither I or anyone I know liked the factory 43xMOS trigger and it was giving all of us blisters. I swapped mine out for an Apex trigger and we’re all happy with it.

I think where a lot of the don’t modify a CCW gun comes from is that modifications can introduce unreliability issues and can be perceived, by an over zealous DA, as a predisposition for violence.

I agree.
A Glock Performance Trigger appears no different from the standard unit. What sets it apart is the better “feel” in operation. As a bonus the more it is used, the smoother it gets. About the best trigger I have yet to actually try out in any Glock is the Timney, after it was worked over by Taran Tactical. It is the closest trigger in feel to a 1911 as can be had, yet it is still a Glock. Would I use this for CCW? NO, because it isn’t a factory Glock item, and while it may be acceptably reliable, it pushes that grey area about modifications that some claim might be an issue if used in a social setting, IMO.
Other things I steer clear from are fancy colored magazine baseplates, and anything else that could be construed as making the user look overly aggressive and predisposed to a fight. IMO, that is a total BS argument, but it may be a reality I don’t want to deal with. I have quite enough going on already. YMMV.

 

[RustVendor]

I agree.
A Glock Performance Trigger appears no different from the standard unit. What sets it apart is the better “feel” in operation. As a bonus the more it is used, the smoother it gets. About the best trigger I have yet to actually try out in any Glock is the Timney, after it was worked over by Taran Tactical. It is the closest trigger in feel to a 1911 as can be had, yet it is still a Glock. Would I use this for CCW? NO, because it isn’t a factory Glock item, and while it may be acceptably reliable, it pushes that grey area about modifications that some claim might be an issue if used in a social setting, IMO.
Other things I steer clear from are fancy colored magazine baseplates, and anything else that could be construed as making the user look overly aggressive and predisposed to a fight. IMO, that is a total BS argument, but it may be a reality I don’t want to deal with. I have quite enough going on already. YMMV.

the timney is not a carry trigger, it is adjustable and just from the adustment screw coming out it can become unsafe. The GPT is not adjustable though but it does a similar thing as the Timney and holds the striker at full unlike the stock.

 

[2aALLIn]

Thank you for the advice about the 3 pins. I was having issues with the slide lock jamming the pin, but once I wiggled the slide lock, it did the trick.
getting past that little obstacle really made me feel more confident to do more work on my pistol.