Thoughts about featureless

[M_N04H]

The second one, needs a tool. Strike industries makes a little rubber strip that you cut that fits into the adjustment holes, you basically block off all but one hole. You can use any stock with that and not need to bolt anything. Another good stock is the Magpul prs lite if you want a DMR setup

I never messed with my stock because I was worried about this but I didn't know about this solution. I was hoping to shorten the length of pull. Thank you

 

[Randomdudewithguns]

The Strike Industry ones are what i put onto all my ARs to make em compliant. Tried different lengths and realized it didn't actually make any difference for my shooting. Cheap and simple solution that was easy to put in.

The second one, needs a tool. Strike industries makes a little rubber strip that you cut that fits into the adjustment holes, you basically block off all but one hole. You can use any stock with that and not need to bolt anything. Another good stock is the Magpul prs lite if you want a DMR setup

 

[Deleted member 16735]

The Strike Industry ones are what i put onto all my ARs to make em compliant. Tried different lengths and realized it didn't actually make any difference for my shooting. Cheap and simple solution that was easy to put in.

Yeah I find it only matter when I'm running it like a precision rifle with a scope that needs specific eye relief, otherwise anything around 12.5 to 13 inches with a red dot is fine

 

[M_N04H]

AR Stock Stop

Keep the look of your existing stock and buffer tube but be able to convert it to fixed! The Stock Stop is the most affordable, easiest, and quickest way to convert your collapsible stock into a fixed stock. The Stock Stop fills in all but one receiver ex

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It's this?

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Yeah, you can cut it and make it so any hole is open and others are blocked

 

[DJD100]

Featureless, with no restrictions aside from mag capacity and flash hider (excepting freedom week mags etc)...



Buy the lower and bolt and build your own like I did (side charging in my case), or buy one complete...

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[Sparrow Dynamics]

On a related note, a question about the stock. Does it need to be pinned? Or can it be adjustable, just not quickly, meaning like you need to undo a screw first to make adjustments, then put the screw back in?

There is no where in the regs that says it needs to be "pinned". It just can't be adjustable. All of this is a gray area. A common thought among many of us are that the stock should not be able to be adjusted (or installed in a different position) without the use of tools. AND even then, the upper and lower should be separated first (for legal reasons).

So, in my previous example, the stock can be fixed in a shorter position for my kid, then later that day, we separate the upper and lower, and use a tool to install the stock in a longer position for me.

If you want it a little less gray, then consider this paper clip method (which adds difficulty to making adjustments, but doesn't permanently damage your stock and buffer tube like pinning does)...

We believe the SI stock stop is actually in more of a gray area, because you don't need tools to install it or remove it. I wouldn't trust a LEO to mess with it. And, if you cut it in a place other than where they have marked, you kind of have a two position stock. One position is in the hole, and the other is butted against that nub that protrudes down against the front of the stock. And this can be adjusted just by pulling down on the cross pin without a tool on most stocks.

All this is completely unconstitutional trash, so take in the information and do what you want. We are not attorneys and this is not legal advice.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

There is no where in the regs that says it needs to be "pinned". It just can't be adjustable. All of this is a gray area. A common thought among many of us are that the stock should not be able to be adjusted (or installed in a different position) without the use of tools. AND even then, the upper and lower should be separated first (for legal reasons).

So, in my previous example, the stock can be fixed in a shorter position for my kid, then later that day, we separate the upper and lower, and use a tool to install the stock in a longer position for me.

If you want it a little less gray, then consider this paper clip method (which adds difficulty to making adjustments, but doesn't permanently damage your stock and buffer tube like pinning does)...

We believe the SI stock stop is actually in more of a gray area, because you don't need tools to install it or remove it. I wouldn't trust a LEO to mess with it. And, if you cut it in a place other than where they have marked, you kind of have a two position stock. One position is in the hole, and the other is butted against that nub that protrudes down against the front of the stock. And this can be adjusted just by pulling down on the cross pin without a tool on most stocks.

All this is completely unconstitutional trash, so take in the information and do what you want. We are not attorneys and this is not legal advice.

What you need tools for is to unstall the stock itself, or take it off. At least for most stocks like bcm, you need some kind of tool to stick into the little hole so that the adjustment pin can clear the end of the buffer tube enough to go on or off.

 

[Tere_Hanges]

I don't mess with the strike industries stock stop it just seems too far into the gray area for my comfort.

I love the B5 fixed stock though. These are awesome!

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[Sparrow Dynamics]

What you need tools for is to unstall the stock itself, or take it off. At least for most stocks like bcm, you need some kind of tool to stick into the little hole so that the adjustment pin can clear the end of the buffer tube enough to go on or off.

Yep, but with many stocks like Magpul and MFT, you can just pull the cross pin down with your fingers to install/uninstall it. Which means that if you use a SI Stock Stop on one of those stocks, you can do installs/uninstalls and adjustments without a tool (and that is more "gray" than a different option that requires a tool).

 

[Sparrow Dynamics]

I don't mess with the strike industries stock stop it just seems too far into the gray area for my comfort.

I love the B5 fixed stock though. These are awesome!

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Yea, those are great and look good too.

 

[M_N04H]

I just ended up going with the magpul fixed stock. LOP on my AR was too much.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Yep, but with many stocks like Magpul and MFT, you can just pull the cross pin down with your fingers to install/uninstall it. Which means that if you use a SI Stock Stop on one of those stocks, you can do installs/uninstalls and adjustments without a tool (and that is more "gray" than a different option that requires a tool).

depends on the magpul, some of them operate just like the BCM or the B5s where you need a tool. So sure, if you want to run an MFT you need to pin it but MFT even makes one that comes with the pin for the ban states

 

[Sparrow Dynamics]

depends on the magpul, some of them operate just like the BCM or the B5s where you need a tool. So sure, if you want to run an MFT you need to pin it but MFT even makes one that comes with the pin for the ban states

You're right, and I could have been more clear... some Magpul stocks don't have the cross pin. I'm not trying to argue anything. I was merely trying to point out that Using a SI Stock Stop with any stock that can be adjusted or installed/removed without a tool could be more of a gray area than stocks that require a tool.

So, with that in mind, (and the bigger point I was trying to show people here) replacing that cross pin with a shorter hollow one (a roll pin) that you can NOT grab with your fingers "could be" less of a gray area................ and still allow adjustments using a tool. Separating the upper and lower first, then easily "installing the stock in a new position" is a benefit and potentially less gray legally. This is a big benefit to someone who often shoots with others (spouce, kids, etc.) who may need a shorter or longer LOP. The last minute of that MFT stock video I posted shows and explains this. To some people, this won't matter because they never want to adjust their stock anyways, but to others, this tip could be very helpful.

 

[Smittty]

I've been getting back into it lately, building another featureless AR. Just some observations:

I've spent more time on reddit, here, and to a lesser extent CalGuns whenever it's up. I've noticed those that are getting into 2a for the first time are mostly fixed mag (nothing wrong with that, but hear me out).

This reminds me of the time when I first got into it myself back in 2010, the only thing you would see on display at FFLs were bullet buttoned rifles - and that was the norm. At the time I was OK with it. It was a minor inconvenience and like many my mentality was: "If S ever hits the fan, it only takes me 5 minutes to swap it out". I was also in the "featureless is ugly" camp. A bullet buttoned AR, I thought "this is just how it is..."

Fast forward to 2017 when bullet buttons became illegal. I tried some early versions of fixed mag setups (we were quite limited back then) - I recall going to the range and absolutely hating it. So I decided to give featureless a try (I believe at the time I just went to the Thordsen) and being able to drop the magazine "normally" was an absolute game changer for me. It was an upgrade to the bullet button, in my eyes. Fixed mag was having to learn a whole new system.

Now fast forward to 2025, I'm getting the vibe that most featureless guys/gals just lay low in the background and don't say much, almost exactly how it was back when I first started. You'll see the frequent post about someone's fixed mag system hanging up. Subsequent responses from other saying xxxx mag lock system is better. Then there's always one guy that just drops one word in the comments: "Featureless" which ends up being an open invite for other featureless guys to speak up. LOL. Hell, I'm guilty.

Over time I've learned to not give a crap what people think of how my AR looks. And I've spent tons of $ getting my ergos down: LOP down for the fixed stock, I've tried all the muzzle brakes and linear comps (aka non flash hiders). I've tinkered with so many different safeties, current favorite is the ambi FCD ASF50-Q winter long/long. And as of late, I've experimented with some higher optics mounts, 1.93 and 2.26 - reason being is I prefer any type of featureless setup that allows me to get a full grasp (non-fin) such as the Sparrow Dynamics or Thordsen. IN turn, I end up with a more of a chicken wing hold. I can't really tuck the rifle into my chest like before (think, lower optic mounted) without putting an awkward cranked angle on my wrist. My point is, I've finally got my ergo's down after all this time with the game changer being higher optics mounts.

You've heard the upside reasoning dozens of times:
- Regular magazine button
- Can use freedom mags "legally"
- Rifle is never out of the fight (upper separate from lower during reload)
- No Unnecessary wear on rifle from opening and closing
- No real need to change anything if SHTF... always ready
- Malfunction clearing "normally"

And the downsides:
- It's ugly
- rifle is mostly tailored to you (fixed length of pull, style of safety, etc)
- no flash hider, give away your firing position. A valid point.
- no adjustability in stock, in case someone with a smaller or larger frame needs to use your rifle
- not as compact storage because you can't collapse your stock (mostly a non issue for me)

Point is, IF YOU'RE NEW to shooting ARs and have any buddies that run featureless take a moment to try out their rifle. Understand that the ergos are probably setup to their preferences. Don't rule out featureless because of looks. There's huge value in being able to use the magazine button regularly...

Old photo:

https://imgur.com/a/15csKTU

I disagree and anyone's choice or method to meet the legality is temporary.

"IF" you ever need to use your rifle for its designed purpose, shft has already happened and its legal status won't matter.

You will have enough warning and time to correct the defects that everyone's cal rifles have been forced into. After that, every ones rifles will have the same original features that make them safer and more efficient.

So, in the mean time, it doesn't matter what method you chose to configure it!

 

[couragewolf]

featureless sucks, introducing more mechanical points of failure sucks more.

Neither of these things are making anyone safer.

 

[.dC0m]

AR Stock Stop

Keep the look of your existing stock and buffer tube but be able to convert it to fixed! The Stock Stop is the most affordable, easiest, and quickest way to convert your collapsible stock into a fixed stock. The Stock Stop fills in all but one receiver ex

www.strikeindustries.com

It's this?

I've use this SI Stock Stop on a few builds; it works. The downside is you have to be real precision when cutting it, or else your stock will still "wiggle".

I threw one in an AR to make it compliant for PPT; the FFL was messing with it for few minutes and even tried to remove it, but it held in place. After he consulted with a coworker, he finally proceeded with the PPT.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

featureless sucks, introducing more mechanical points of failure sucks more.

Neither of these things are making anyone safer.

Defining the "features" was certainly stupid and pointless but thankfully they didn't seem to understand how the action worked in the first place, unlike this bill that luckily didn't pass the New Mexico legislature this year. They ban all gas operated semi automatic rifles and specifically include not only piston actions but also somehow direct blowback is also considered gas operated... So in a way I'm glad CA law is merely stupid and doesn't effectively ban anything.

SB0279

 

[M_N04H]

Defining the "features" was certainly stupid and pointless but thankfully they didn't seem to understand how the action worked in the first place, unlike this bill that luckily didn't pass the New Mexico legislature this year. They ban all gas operated semi automatic rifles and specifically include not only piston actions but also somehow direct blowback is also considered gas operated... So in a way I'm glad CA law is merely stupid and doesn't effectively ban anything.

SB0279

The laws here are dumb but I've always said, it could be worse.

 

[M_N04H]

I've use this SI Stock Stop on a few builds; it works. The downside is you have to be real precision when cutting it, or else your stock will still "wiggle".

I threw one in an AR to make it compliant for PPT; the FFL was messing with it for few minutes and even tried to remove it, but it held in place. After he consulted with a coworker, he finally proceeded with the PPT.

I decided to just go fixed Magpul stock and called it a day.