How To: Need community help

[No_glonks]

Learning myself, @Dvrjon has been a great help

 

[ikeo1]

Learning myself, @Dvrjon has been a great help

He's been a great help to the site as well... I'm glad we have so many people helping each other out and i think the word is collaborating!

 

[Dvrjon]

Received email from city regarding records

Although the requested records have not yet been fully identified, based on the terms of the request, we have made a preliminary determination that the request likely does seek disclosable records within the possession of the city. This office will provide you with a status update after the requested records have been thoroughly reviewed.

Good progress!

Now patience to see what they offer. It should be electronic, so may not require a fee.

 

[No_glonks]

Good progress!

Now patience to see what they offer. It should be electronic, so may not require a fee.

Copy that
Thanks again!

 

[No_glonks]

Contacted Michel lawyers awhile back.

 

[Dvrjon]

Contacted Michel lawyers awhile back.

A pending lawsuit may delay or even shut down your PRA response. Lawyers facing lawsuits don’t like to provide information outside of the rules of Discovery.

 

[No_glonks]

A pending lawsuit may delay or even shut down your PRA response. Lawyers facing lawsuits don’t like to provide information outside of the rules of Discovery.

as far as I know there is no lawsuit, unless someone else filed individually. Kostas said SAF won’t open another case as they already suing Santa Clara for exactly the same thing. CRPA’s office assistant just reffed me to Michel and refused to let me contact anyone else there.
I just signed up to be potential plaintiff, if there ever will be a lawsuit, can’t even remember I did it on CRPA’s site or Michel’s.

I’m not in financial position to pay for that myself

 

[Dvrjon]

This is CA…there is always a “pending” lawsuit.

The CRPA letter may carry a threat of lawsuit. If it does, the city may become less receptive to share info.

 

[Gawernator]

Contacted Michel lawyers awhile back.

That's progress soviet bear

 

[No_glonks]

This is CA…there is always a “pending” lawsuit.

The CRPA letter may carry a threat of lawsuit. If it does, the city may become less receptive to share info.

Got email from the city.

Meeting

glendaleca.primegov.com

Glendale - Google Drive

drive.google.com

 

[No_glonks]

That's progress soviet bear

Doing everything I can to prevent CA bear becoming Soviet bear

 

[Dvrjon]

You’ve done well on this.

This seems to be the key document:



The dollar values per hour would be broken down elsewhere to include mandatory support “loads”: (Salary, benefits, NDI, workers’ Comp, etc.) driving the number up.

Hourly rates sit on top of the rank columns. They get their number by applying the individual rates to the time estimate for each rank.

You could drive deeper and ask for those particulars (base hourly rate for each class, support costs, mandatory loads, etc.) but I’m sure they have the backup to show the values. Also, let’s remember, the current documents came from the City Clerk who earlier stated they don’t exist (but since they’re Budget issues, they had to be public-facing.)

Anyway, good work! You now have the background information, so you know what’s in their hand before you deal. Hopefully, you, and others, also know a bit more about the required responsiveness of government and how to poke that bear without getting mauled.

Best.

 

[No_glonks]

You’ve done well on this.

This seems to be the key document:

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The dollar values per hour would be broken down elsewhere to include mandatory support “loads”: (Salary, benefits, NDI, workers’ Comp, etc.) driving the number up.

Hourly rates sit on top of the rank columns. They get their number by applying the individual rates to the time estimate for each rank.

You could drive deeper and ask for those particulars (base hourly rate for each class, support costs, mandatory loads, etc.) but I’m sure they have the backup to show the values. Also, let’s remember, the current documents came from the City Clerk who earlier stated they don’t exist (but since they’re Budget issues, they had to be public-facing.)

Anyway, good work! You now have the background information, so you know what’s in their hand before you deal. Hopefully, you, and others, also know a bit more about the required responsiveness of government and how to poke that bear without getting mauled.

Best.

Where do we go from here?
Waiting from Blank vs Santa Clara county decision, or retain Michel on my own. I don’t think there is anything else can be done, is it?

 

[Dvrjon]

Where do we go from here?
Waiting from Blank vs Santa Clara county decision, or retain Michel on my own. I don’t think there is anything else can be done, is it?

Let’s wait to see what the CRPA letter has to say to them. The main point here is that you can gather information critical to the success or failure of your complaint. A $1k license is still exorbitant compared to other issuer’s costs.

 

[No_glonks]

Let’s wait to see what the CRPA letter has to say to them. The main point here is that you can gather information critical to the success or failure of your complaint. A $1k license is still exorbitant compared to other issuer’s costs.

We have an update!
Also, Kostas forwarded Glendale’s email to DOJ civil rights division.
DOJ just sent letter to San Jose for their high fees

 

[Dvrjon]

We have an update!
Also, Kostas forwarded Glendale’s email to DOJ civil rights division.
DOJ just sent letter to San Jose for their high fees

Let’s clear some channels, here.

Kostas left Michel & Associates (CRPA) and now works for the 2nd Amendment Foundation, not CRPA.

CRPA (Matt Cubiero) sent a letter to Glendale requesting, with other issues.

We are aware of no cost study or analysis that would justify fees at this level. If your
Department has prepared such a study, we request that it be provided to us promptly. We have
separately submitted a Public Records Act request seeking all documents related to the
calculation and establishment of these fees.

 

[No_glonks]

Let’s clear some channels, here.

Kostas left Michel & Associates (CRPA) and now works for the 2nd Amendment Foundation, not CRPA.

CRPA (Matt Cubiero) sent a letter to Glendale requesting, with other issues.

I’m aware Kostas with 2AF now, I was chatting with him after he commented on my post on r/caguns.
He said 2AF doesn’t have resources to fight two different jurisdictions on same issue, but will talk to his contacts at DOJ about Glendale. DOJ might or might not act on this, will see.
Not sure how and why CRPA got involved, their office assistant, who was answering my emails, wasn’t much of the help.

 

[Dvrjon]

I’m aware Kostas with 2AF now, I was chatting with him after he commented on my post on r/caguns.

But others might not have been.....

He said 2AF doesn’t have resources to fight two different jurisdictions on same issue, but will talk to his contacts at DOJ about Glendale. DOJ might or might not act on this, will see.

Others (CRPA) are in play.

Not sure how and why CRPA got involved, their office assistant, who was answering my emails, wasn’t much of the help.

Typically, OAs don't take action or guarantee someone will. They send the info to the folks in the agency who deal with the specific matter. Your inquiry was shipped to the folks running the "CCW Reckoning Project and drove a response.

 

[No_glonks]

But others might not have been.....

Others (CRPA) are in play.

Typically, OAs don't take action or guarantee someone will. They send the info to the folks in the agency who deal with the specific matter. Your inquiry was shipped to the folks running the "CCW Reckoning Project and drove a response.

Thanks for clarification and breakdown

 

[Joker67]

I’m sure it’s been said, but if you can , throw CRPA a little extra if you can. If every California gun owner gave $5…