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Some of you saw my comments in “WTF Glendale” post about City Council/Glendale GPD raising CCW application processing fees for new application from $100 tom$1078, and for renewal from
$25 to $826. I also shared this on r/caguns and Kostas Moros chimed in. CRPA and Second Amendment Foundation already suing Santa Clara county for outrageous fees and requirements ( which actually lower than Glendale’s), and 2AF , Kostas with , don’t have enough resources to be in legal battle with two different agencies on same matter, especially in same circuit jurisdiction. He promised to contact US DOJ, but will they do anything or not it’s a whole different story .
I also email CRPA, but office assistant who replied to my email just referred me to law firm for consultations. No response to my follow ups.
The high fees are violation of CA penal code § 26190 and violation of Bruen as well, super court said that “exorbitant fees” that deny ordinary citizens their right to public carry can be subject to a constitutional challenge. I think there are other SC cases on fees for constitutional rights.

Can someone with legal degree put together a letter I can send to city council and PD before I start paying out of pocket for legal consultation?

Thanks in advance
 
Hope someone is able to help you out.. Otherwise, I would imagine, they would recommend to ask ai for help you draft it at first.

Problem is professional and ai is getting closer for initial letters, but it's a lot of work.

If anything, just keep it up and support the other ones. Multiple fronts might be difficult to achieve a win. You don't really need a lawyer until you get to the next steps IMO.

As an individual, it's going to be an uphill battle.
 
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Good luck man. I don’t know a lawyer that would do this here (in state, not caguns) Have you tried Matt at FuddBusters? He likes to stir the pot and has won a few cases. Granted he’s an east coast boy.
 
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I fixed my poorly worded post. I wasn't thinking and not typing.

The letter isn't going to do much to a dept, they can't do anything when it is the city. The lawsuit is usually the gateway to change, backing one or if an organization decides to sue, jumping onboard is a good way to go. They'll come here or to reddit to look for plaintiffs.
 
I fixed my poorly worded post. I wasn't thinking and not typing.

The letter isn't going to do much to a dept, they can't do anything when it is the city. The lawsuit is usually the gateway to change, backing one or if an organization decides to sue, jumping onboard is a good way to go. They'll come here or to reddit to look for plaintiffs.
From what I was told it was city council decision. Wishful thinking if they be aware of CA penal code and SC decision they might pull fees back. They are reviewing city fee schedule in September
 
From what I was told it was city council decision. Wishful thinking if they be aware of CA penal code and SC decision they might pull fees back. They are reviewing city fee schedule in September
That's the thing though, IMHO a letter to the city council isn't going to swing it, unless it's a national decision or judgement. There would have to be domino's in the opposite direction. I'm with you though, one of the reason this site exists is so that people like you and kmoros can connect at some point. I had another member reach out to me and tell me he became a plaintiff from here. We have a few floating around here.

I think patience and persistence is going to be important. I wanted to step into the limelight for a minute and discuss these things with reporters, because we have a large reach, but after seeing the b.s. that can happen with your personal life, I had to back off. I have the unique position to be able to represent the site as a operator, but the risks are high and decided against it. I really wish I could do more to help, but think the platform is what I can do.
 
That's the thing though, IMHO a letter to the city council isn't going to swing it, unless it's a national decision or judgement. There would have to be domino's in the opposite direction. I'm with you though, one of the reason this site exists is so that people like you and kmoros can connect at some point. I had another member reach out to me and tell me he became a plaintiff from here. We have a few floating around here.

I think patience and persistence is going to be important. I wanted to step into the limelight for a minute and discuss these things reporters, because we have a large reach, but after seeing the b.s. that can happen with your personal life, I had to back up. I have the unique position to be able to speak with reporters about this stuff, but the risks are high and decided against it. I really wish I could do more to help, but think the platform is what I can do.
Thanks man. Have to start somewhere. Letter first, will speak up at city council meeting next. Then go from there. I know it won’t be quick and easy, and really hope DOJ decides to get involved
 
It will be tough and it's the city council not the PD that sets the price. I don't see how anything would change without a lawsuit. It's Glendale too.
 
Why are some able to make the psych eval mandatory and I thought that was also supposed to be capped
 
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To: Glendale City Council
Cc: Chief of Police, Glendale Police Department
Subject: Request for Review and Justification of Concealed Carry Weapon License Fees

Dear Mayor, Members of the Glendale City Council, and Chief of Police:

I am writing as a Glendale resident and CCW license holder to request a formal review of the City of Glendale’s fees for the issuance and renewal of licenses to carry a concealed weapon.

Under the City’s current FY 2026–27 fee schedule, Glendale charges $1,078 for an initial CCW permit and $826 for a renewal. These amounts are particularly concerning because other significant expenses associated with obtaining or renewing a CCW—including required firearms training, Live Scan, and psychological evaluation—are separate expenses borne by the applicant.

The disparity between Glendale and other California issuing agencies is substantial.

For comparison:

  • Glendale: $1,078 initial / $826 renewal
  • Riverside County Sheriff: approximately $100 in Sheriff’s Department administrative fees for an initial license ($20 application and $80 issuance), excluding fingerprinting/Live Scan costs. Renewal is $77.
  • Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department: $216 for a standard initial license / $86 for a standard renewal under its currently published fee schedule.
In other words, Glendale's $1,078 initial fee is nearly five times LASD's $216 fee and more than ten times Riverside County's $100 local administrative charge. The disparity is even more striking for renewals: Glendale charges $826, compared with $86 through LASD and $77 through Riverside County.

I recognize that different agencies may have different staffing, administrative procedures, overhead, and processing costs. Nevertheless, a difference of this magnitude warrants a detailed explanation of how Glendale's fees were calculated and whether they represent the actual and reasonable cost of administering the CCW licensing program.

California law regulates the fees that licensing authorities may charge in connection with CCW licenses. Penal Code section 26190 addresses the fees associated with CCW applications and permits local licensing authorities to charge fees tied to the reasonable costs associated with processing applications and issuing licenses, subject to the requirements and limitations established by state law.

There is also an important constitutional consideration. In New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc. v. Bruen (2022), the United States Supreme Court held that the Second and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual's right to carry a handgun publicly for self-defense. Although Bruen did not establish a specific permissible dollar amount for licensing fees, the Court expressly stated that shall-issue licensing regimes are constitutionally permissible where they employ objective requirements, while cautioning that such regimes could still be subject to constitutional challenges if they are administered in a manner that effectively denies ordinary citizens the ability to exercise the right.

The Supreme Court has also long recognized in other constitutional contexts that government may not use licensing fees as a means of imposing a financial burden on the exercise of constitutional rights. While reasonable administrative cost-recovery fees may be permissible, a fee associated with exercising a constitutional right raises substantially different concerns when it exceeds what is reasonably necessary to administer the regulatory program.

I am therefore requesting that the City provide or publicly identify the cost study, calculation, or other supporting documentation used to establish the $1,078 initial CCW fee and $826 renewal fee.

Specifically, I respectfully request that the City disclose:

  1. The estimated staff hours required to process an initial CCW application and a renewal application;
  2. The hourly personnel rates and classifications used in calculating those costs;
  3. The administrative and overhead expenses allocated to each application;
  4. Any Police Department, City Attorney, Finance Department, or other departmental costs incorporated into the fee;
  5. The methodology used to allocate those costs among CCW applicants;
  6. The number of initial and renewal applications used in calculating the per-applicant cost;
  7. Whether any portion of the CCW fees generates revenue exceeding the City's reasonable cost of providing the licensing service; and
  8. The City's explanation for why processing a CCW application costs Glendale several times more than comparable processing by other California law-enforcement agencies.
I understand that the City conducts user-fee studies and calculates fees for numerous municipal services. If the current CCW fees are based upon such a study, I respectfully request that the City make available the specific worksheets, time estimates, staffing assumptions, overhead calculations, and cost-allocation methodology applicable to CCW issuance and renewal, rather than merely providing the final fee amount.

This is particularly important with respect to the $826 renewal fee. A renewal involves an existing license holder whose identity, prior licensing history, and previous application have already been processed by the City. It therefore deserves explanation why Glendale calculates the cost of processing a renewal at more than $800 when other major California issuing agencies charge a small fraction of that amount.

This issue is not about asking the City to subsidize CCW applicants. I recognize that applicants can appropriately be required to bear lawful and reasonable costs associated with processing their applications. The concern is whether $1,078 and $826 reasonably represent those costs, particularly when applicants must separately pay substantial amounts for training, fingerprinting/background requirements, psychological evaluation where required, and other expenses.

The right to “keep and bear Arms” is expressly protected by the Second Amendment, and the Supreme Court has confirmed that the right to bear arms extends beyond the home. A licensing system should therefore recover legitimate administrative expenses without becoming an unnecessary financial barrier to the exercise of that constitutional right.

As a Glendale resident and taxpayer, I am also concerned about the potential financial consequences to the City if these fees result in litigation. This is not merely a hypothetical concern. The California Rifle & Pistol Association (CRPA) and Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) are currently plaintiffs in Blank v. Santa Clara County, a federal civil-rights lawsuit challenging, among other things, Santa Clara County's high CCW licensing fees. Santa Clara County's challenged local fee is approximately $976 for an initial CCW license—an amount actually lower than Glendale's current $1,078 initial fee.

I do not want to see the City of Glendale and its taxpayers bear the substantial expense of defending similar litigation if this issue can instead be addressed proactively and responsibly. Regardless of how a court might ultimately rule on Glendale's particular fee structure, the existence of ongoing litigation against another California jurisdiction over substantially similar concerns should provide a compelling reason for the City to carefully review its fees now, document their actual cost basis, and make appropriate adjustments if those fees cannot be justified.

I respectfully ask the City Council and Glendale Police Department to review these fees, publicly disclose the cost basis supporting them, and, if the present charges exceed the reasonable costs attributable to processing CCW applications and renewals, reduce the fees accordingly.

I would appreciate a written response explaining the City's position and identifying the documents supporting the current fee calculations.

Thank you for your consideration.

Respectfully

No_glonks
Glendale Resident and CCW License Holder
 
I think it’s a bit long, typically these aren’t that long. It would also be a point to go to one of the meetings they have
Agreed

To: Glendale Police Department and Glendale City Council
Re: Glendale CCW Licensing Fees

Dear Chief of Police and Members of the Glendale City Council:

I am writing to request a review and detailed cost justification of the City of Glendale's current CCW licensing fees—approximately $1,078 for an initial application and $826 for a renewal. These amounts do not include other required expenses such as training, Live Scan/fingerprinting, and psychological evaluation, which applicants must pay separately.

For comparison, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department charges $216 in local fees for an initial standard CCW license and $86 for a renewal, while the Riverside County Sheriff's Office charges $100 in local fees for an initial license and $25 for a renewal, excluding applicable state Live Scan fees. Glendale's fees are therefore several times higher than those charged by two major neighboring Southern California law-enforcement agencies administering the same state licensing framework.

California Penal Code § 26190 requires local CCW fees to reflect the “reasonable costs” of processing, issuing, and enforcing a license and expressly provides that n no case shall the local fees exceed the reasonable costs to the licensing authority.”

These fees also raise constitutional concerns. In New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen (2022), the U.S. Supreme Court specifically cautioned that shall-issue licensing regimes could be constitutionally problematic when administered through “exorbitant fees” that effectively deny ordinary citizens their right to public carry.

I fully recognize Glendale's right to recover the legitimate costs of administering its CCW program. However, fees exceeding $1,000 for an initial license and $800 for a renewal—particularly when comparable agencies charge a fraction of these amounts—warrant a clear explanation of how Glendale's fees reflect the City's actual reasonable costs.

I therefore respectfully request that the City provide:

  • The cost study or methodology used to establish the current CCW fees;
  • The staff hours, labor rates, administrative overhead, and vendor costs included in those calculations;
  • The City's annual CCW fee revenue and corresponding program expenditures; and
  • Any City Council resolutions, staff reports, or other documents supporting the current fee schedule.
I respectfully ask the Glendale Police Department and City Council to review these fees and reduce any portion that cannot be justified as a reasonable cost under Penal Code § 26190.

As a Glendale resident and taxpayer, I am also concerned about the potential financial consequences to the City if these fees result in litigation. The California Rifle & Pistol Association (CRPA) and Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) are currently plaintiffs in Blank v. Santa Clara County, a federal civil-rights lawsuit challenging Santa Clara County's high CCW licensing fees.

I do not want to see the City of Glendale and its taxpayers bear the substantial expense of defending similar litigation if this issue can instead be addressed proactively and responsibly.

This is not an objection to reasonable administrative fees. It is a request for transparency, statutory compliance, and assurance that the cost of exercising a constitutional right is not unnecessarily or unlawfully burdensome.

Thank you for your consideration. I look forward to your response.

Respectfully,

I do not want to see the City of Glendale and its taxpayers bear the substantial expense of defending similar litigation if this issue can instead be addressed proactively and responsibly. This is not an objection to reasonable administrative fees. It is a request for transparency, statutory compliance, and assurance that the cost of exercising a constitutional right is not unnecessarily or unlawfully burdensome.

Thank you for your consideration. I look forward to your response.

Respectfully,
 
If that was a request of me, I’d suggest….

First, contact the City Clerk by phone and ask for help. Be nice; don’t demand results. You’re simply looking for the Public Meeting record. You need help in identifying the city council meeting minutes which contained agenda items for the CCW fees. Can they direct you to those online files?

Pending your success in that, and if played right, you’ll have those records and they’ll tell you the cost breakdown.

Then, I would suggest you also place a concise Public Records Request with the city. Use their on-line form. Leave out all of the stuff which doesn’t identify a specific record or indicates you think they are illegally doing anything.

Keep it simple: Any and all records which detail the analysis and justification for the City’s recent increase in CCW application fees, including any presentations of these discrete costs to assist members of the City Council in authorizing these fees.

They have to respond within 10 days regarding the availability of the records.
You don’t have to tell them why you want them.
They can charge you for reproduction, but electronic files cost less ($0.00).
There are exemptions to access:
  • Investigative Records: Certain law enforcement, security procedures, and intelligence data are exempt.
  • Public Interest Catchall: The city may withhold a record if it demonstrates that the public interest served by not disclosing it clearly outweighs the public interest served by disclosure.
Those two actions can provide you with separate sources to compare…they might show the same numbers.

Once you have the data, you can more thoroughly craft a plea to the City to reconsider. If they refuse to provide the data, then your approach can focus to the City Council as, “Why are simple admin fees being hidden from the populace?

Good luck.
 
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If that was a request of me, I’d suggest a first step…

I would suggest you place a concise Public Records Request with the city. Use their on-line form. Leave out all of the stuff which doesn’t identify a specific record or indicates you think they are illegally doing anything.

Keep it simple: Any and all records which detail the analysis and justification for the City’s recent increase in CCW application fees, including any presentations of these discrete costs to assist members of the City Council in authorizing these fees.

They have to respond within 10 days regarding the availability of the records.
You don’t have to tell them why you want them.
They can charge you for reproduction, but electronic files cost less ($0.00).
There are exemptions to access:
  • Investigative Records: Certain law enforcement, security procedures, and intelligence data are exempt.
  • Public Interest Catchall: The city may withhold a record if it demonstrates that the public interest served by not disclosing it clearly outweighs the public interest served by disclosure.

Once you have the data, you can more throughly craft a plea to the City to reconsider. If they refuse to provide the data, then your approach can focus to the City Council as, “Why are simple admin fees being hidden from the populace?

Good luck.
Thank you very much! Will hold off on emailing the letter, and just requested the records, just like you said.

"Any and all records which detail the analysis and justification for the City’s recent increase in CCW application fees, including any presentations of these discrete costs to assist members of the City Council in authorizing these fees"
 

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