CCW Magazine Capacity for CCW

[bonesurf]

Depends on where you are having your firearm safety inspection done I suspect. I have true standard capacity mags in my CCWs which is 12-15 depending on which particular gun (i am allowed 3 on my CCW—im not sure if that varies or not). Firearm safety inspector didn’t bat an eye at the mags, but I DID get dinged for taking out the magazine disconnect so i could place an aftermarket trigger into my p365. I had to put the original trigger and the disconnect back in to pass inspection. This is BHPD

That being said, in terms of true EDC, I’ve found that i only put 6-7 rounds in the mag so it doesn’t weigh as much and doesn’t “drag” my waistline down. Given the rule of 3s….even 6-7 is probably overkill

 

[SomeOne]

That being said, in terms of true EDC, I’ve found that i only put 6-7 rounds in the mag so it doesn’t weigh as much and doesn’t “drag” my waistline down. Given the rule of 3s….even 6-7 is probably overkill

I would probably suggest getting a better belt. 5-6 rounds shouldn't affect it much, if you compare it to the weight of the gun.

 

[bonesurf]

I would probably suggest getting a better belt. 5-6 rounds shouldn't affect it much, if you compare it to the weight of the gun.

It’s the tipping point. And why carry and be uncomfortable? Again. Given the rule of 3s unless you are planning on going to war why are you carrying more than 10 anyways? I’m not talking about a rooftop Korean situation. Im talking about normal everyday. I mean shoot sometimes i carry the airweight and that’s maxed out at 5 anyways.

 

[SomeOne]

It’s the tipping point. And why carry and be uncomfortable? Again. Given the rule of 3s unless you are planning on going to war why are you carrying more than 10 anyways? I’m not talking about a rooftop Korean situation. Im talking about normal everyday. I mean shoot sometimes i carry the airweight and that’s maxed out at 5 anyways.

With the right belt, it's really not uncomfortable. Why do you need more than the statistical average? If I recall the FBI data correctly, about 10% of the shootings reported 10+ shots made. If you are confident, you are one of those 90%, you probably don't need more. However, one important thing to remember, once you are out of ammo, your gun becomes a rock. Would you carry a rock for a self-defense?

 

[bonesurf]

Then you always have to wear a belt. Again. To each their own. Shrug. You gotta decide what compromises are ok for you. For me living with 5-10 rounds or so typically is fine. For you and others presumably you are going 15-17 and imma guess an extra mag somewhere. On that note. It’s easier to stash an extra mag somewhere than have a heavier firearm IMO

 

[Jayincali]

This is quite interesting to me that SB would limit to 10

I was surprised when we went over it in class, i remember there were quite a few questions on that subject.

 

[DrJonesUSA]

It's my understanding that the burden is on the STATE to prove that you "illegally" acquired the magazines. So, unless you buy mags that are date-stamped, not sure how big a deal it is.

I've never heard anyone say they wish they had carried LESS ammo with them. Ever.

What's the possible charge for a standard-capacity mag, and is that worth risking your life?
Maybe the extra few rounds wouldn't make any difference, maybe they would..... are you willing to bet your life on having LESS vs. more ammo?

Might also be wise to keep several CA-capacity magazines, both at your home & on you, for reloads & such.

 

[treelogger]

I’ve always asked the question… Do police officers carry standard mags?

A friend of ours is a California LEO, and they were very happy when the old metal S&W 40 was replaced by the new plastic one. Not only was it lighter, it also had a larger mag capacity. And the grip size was adjustable. More practical, and more useful.

But police open carry gun is both legally and practically different from concealed carry. Another friend, also a LEO (with multiple bars on his collar), did a lot of politics, and often had to attend big meetings in Sacto. He would wear a suit, have his badge on his belt, and a compact gun IWB. You knew he was an officer, just from the way he bears himself and how he interacts. They use what is appropriate for the situation. So there are votes for smaller and larger mag capacity here.

 

[treelogger]

I've never heard anyone say they wish they had carried LESS ammo with them. Ever.

I've heard LEOs who want to have fewer pounds on their belt. And ammo is not weightless.

What's the possible charge for a standard-capacity mag, and is that worth risking your life?

If you violate the conditions of your permit, then the permit is not valid, and you are carrying unpermitted. If you then commit a shooting, things are going to go pear-shaped.

 

[DrJonesUSA]

I've heard LEOs who want to have fewer pounds on their belt. And ammo is not weightless.

As you said in your other post, cops & CCW Citizens are quite different. And I'm sure they WANT to have fewer pounds on their belt; why don't they do it? Takes a moment to reconfigure mag pouches. I've increasingly seen officers with at LEAST a triple-mag holder on their belts. Are they complaining or actually reducing how much ammo they carry? I feel it's the former, or else they would just do it.

If you violate the conditions of your permit, then the permit is not valid, and you are carrying unpermitted. If you then commit a shooting, things are going to go pear-shaped.

Is it a violation of a permit to have a standard capacity magazine of over 10 rounds, assuming of course the magazine was acquired within the bounds of CA law?

 

[treelogger]

As you said in your other post, cops & CCW Citizens are quite different. And I'm sure they WANT to have fewer pounds on their belt; why don't they do it?

I'm sure it depends on the situation, for example the beat. A park ranger (who is a sworn LEO and carries a gun) is different from a rural sheriff, and different from a city PD in a bad neighborhood (Oakland, ...), and yet different from traffic duty. And carrying while on duty but not enforcing the law but doing administrative or political work is yet different.

Is it a violation of a permit to have a standard capacity magazine of over 10 rounds, assuming of course the magazine was acquired within the bounds of CA law?

If the conditions on the CCW say that it is restricted to certain mag capacities (or to certain guns, or to the original configuration of the gun with mag disco, or any other such restriction), then the permit becomes invalid when those restrictions are not met. This is not a question of "violating" the permit, but of the permit even being valid. There is no legal consequence for violating the permit in and of itself. I can stand at home, in front of the bathroom mirror, with a 17-round magazine in my eponymous Glock 17 (which is not on my permit), and I have violated the permit, but I have broken no law, since in my bathroom I'm allowed to conceal any gun I want. Once I go out in public, the conclusion changes, and I'm now violating the law that says that one must not carry concealed without a (valid) permit.

 

[SomeOne]

I've heard LEOs who want to have fewer pounds on their belt. And ammo is not weightless.

Several rounds of 9mm weight a few ounces, not a few pounds. At the end of the day, if a particular cop wants to ease the belt, they can take out all the spare mags. Surprisingly. they don't do it. Instead, some of them have a backup gun. I wonder why

If you violate the conditions of your permit, then the permit is not valid, and you are carrying unpermitted. If you then commit a shooting, things are going to go pear-shaped.

If your IA restricts your mag capacity, obviously you comply. Otherwise, you are good to go

 

[cali_jazz]

It depends on the AI; some allow it, while others don't.

Can you name a county that allows more than 10 rounds? My understanding is the 10 round limit is California law, no county can circumvent CA law and "authorize" something that is essentially illegal in the state.

 

[cali_jazz]

Depends on where you are having your firearm safety inspection done I suspect. I have true standard capacity mags in my CCWs which is 12-15 depending on which particular gun (i am allowed 3 on my CCW—im not sure if that varies or not). Firearm safety inspector didn’t bat an eye at the mags, but I DID get dinged for taking out the magazine disconnect so i could place an aftermarket trigger into my p365. I had to put the original trigger and the disconnect back in to pass inspection. This is BHPD

That being said, in terms of true EDC, I’ve found that i only put 6-7 rounds in the mag so it doesn’t weigh as much and doesn’t “drag” my waistline down. Given the rule of 3s….even 6-7 is probably overkill

The "rule of 3" is not necessarily adhered to by the bad guys. When you are out because there are 2 or 3 of them, I bet you won't be concerned about your waistline. Better to have it and not need it than visa versa brother. I carry 10+1 and and extra 10 mag. Get a good stiff tactical belt, problem solved.

 

[cali_jazz]

Probably a stupid question i am sure.

If i have regular capacity magazines (greater than 10 rounds) that i purchased legally. (I.e. freedom week, etc.) Can i carry these in my EDC CCW.

FWIW I recently did a CCW modification and asked the deputy at the Kern County sheriff's office while i was picking up and he told me 'only standard capacity'. When i questioned if that meant standard like 15 or 17 rounds he said 'no 6 or 7 rounds'. So yeah... not much help there.

Thanks!

10 rounds is the mag limit in California by law, period, end-of-story. No you cannot CCW your freedom mag, and if you're caught you could be charged and will certainly lose your CCW. You can however load one in the chamber for a 10+1 = 11 total rounds.

 

[cali_jazz]

As others have said it is dependent to the issuing agencies policy. There is no state law prohibiting the use of "large capacity mags" for CCW.

Oh yes there is! Penal Code 32310(c) read it and weep.

 

[treelogger]

Duncan. Enjoined. Not enforceable.

 

[cali_jazz]

I’ve always asked the question… Do police officers carry standard mags? Why? If you got them legally, what makes the most sense in protecting you and your family’s life? If you use them, is that going to be the least of your worries in a self defense shooting?

You’ve got to weigh some odds when you decide to carry.

Comparing citizens to LEO's in terms of mags seems a very odd justification; they have very different threat scenarios to contend with. If you feel you can't get it done in 11 (+spare mags) it's your decision to break the current law, but the consequences could be dire.

 

[cali_jazz]

Duncan. Enjoined. Not enforceable.

Under emergency stay. Hopefully it is overturned but until then it is law.

 

[Jayincali]

10 rounds is the mag limit in California by law, period, end-of-story. No you cannot CCW your freedom mag, and if you're caught you could be charged and will certainly lose your CCW. You can however load one in the chamber for a 10+1 = 11 total rounds.

Thats what I was told by San Bernardino when I was in class. I have 10 in the mag, 1 in the hole and a spare 10 mag clipped inside my pocket that looks like a knife clip.

As much as they hate the CA gun laws, and they really hate them, the SB Sheriff teaching our class said CCW are not LEO and need to adhere to CA law which is 10 rounds. He said if we are found in possession they can arrest you and you will most definitely lose that ccw. He specifically said freedom mags are not allowed.

I train with 10, always have so I’m used to it. If I feel I need to carry more ammo, then I’ll carry extra mags. I don’t for see me playing out the shoot out scene from the movie Heat, so figure I’m good with 21 rounds.