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[RickD427]

Why would CFARS say in process years and years later?

I don't have any experience with CFARS, but I do have a lot of experience with AFS, and the two systems interact.

I can think of at least two reasons for CFARS to do that:

1) Operator Omission - Somebody didn't update the system when the transaction was finished. This is a real common problem in the Criminal History Index. A lot of folks have open court cases from the '60s.

2) Delayed Data - DOJ may have requested additional info (typically photographs) and have not received them. In the early days, DOJ would suspect incorrect reporting of data, often resulting from the "Personal Firearm Importer" reports, and they began asking for supplemental information and photographs. At the time, the law provided (note that I'm saying this in the past verb tense for a reason) that a reporter's duty was complete once the form was submitted. A lot of folks simply declined the invitation to submit additional info, and the DOJ simply declined to process. Ultimately, the law was changed to provide DOJ with the authority to require the submission of supplemental info.

 

[Gawernator]

I don't have any experience with CFARS, but I do have a lot of experience with AFS, and the two systems interact.

I can think of at least two reasons for CFARS to do that:

1) Operator Omission - Somebody didn't update the system when the transaction was finished. This is a real common problem in the Criminal History Index. A lot of folks have open court cases from the '60s.

2) Delayed Data - DOJ may have requested additional info (typically photographs) and have not received them. In the early days, DOJ would suspect incorrect reporting of data, often resulting from the "Personal Firearm Importer" reports, and they began asking for supplemental information and photographs. At the time, the law provided (note that I'm saying this in the past verb tense for a reason) that a reporter's duty was complete once the form was submitted. A lot of folks simply declined the invitation to submit additional info, and the DOJ simply declined to process. Ultimately, the law was changed to provide DOJ with the authority to require the submission of supplemental info.

I remember the system was constantly crashing during the registration window too.... wonder how much data glitched out

 

[AR15barrels]

There are differing levels of detail based on the level of user. But even the Print-Out that you posted contains sufficient detail to distinguish a BBRAW registration from conventional RAW registrations. The AFS returns contain a lot of cryptic and abbreviated information. But look at the exemplar that you posted and note the "DOT" field. That reflects the "Date of Transaction." With the exception of Assault Weapons privately purchased by LEOs with agency head authorization and subsequently registered with DOJ, a registration year corresponding to the 1990 and 2001 registration periods would indicate a conventional RAW. A registration year corresponding to the 2018 BBRAW registration period would indicate a BBRAW (the 2018 registration period did not allow registration of conventional AWs).

I am certain that every street level police-officer, CHP and sheriff-deputy knows that right?
That must be part of basic POST training these days and the 2026 POST class graduates are all going to know it.

 

[AR15barrels]

I don't have any experience with CFARS, but I do have a lot of experience with AFS, and the two systems interact.

I can think of at least two reasons for CFARS to do that:

1) Operator Omission - Somebody didn't update the system when the transaction was finished. This is a real common problem in the Criminal History Index. A lot of folks have open court cases from the '60s.

2) Delayed Data - DOJ may have requested additional info (typically photographs) and have not received them. In the early days, DOJ would suspect incorrect reporting of data, often resulting from the "Personal Firearm Importer" reports, and they began asking for supplemental information and photographs. At the time, the law provided (note that I'm saying this in the past verb tense for a reason) that a reporter's duty was complete once the form was submitted. A lot of folks simply declined the invitation to submit additional info, and the DOJ simply declined to process. Ultimately, the law was changed to provide DOJ with the authority to require the submission of supplemental info.

I currently have 39 AW and voluntary registrations that are "in process" from 2018 in my CRIS transactions log.
Not a single one has been completed.
I have not heard of a single person whose CRIS transactions say anything other than "in process".

 

[RickD427]

I am certain that every street level police-officer, CHP and sheriff-deputy knows that right?
That must be part of basic POST training these days and the 2026 POST class graduates are all going to know it.

I sense sarcasm here. LEOs pick up the computer stuff pretty fast, especially the new generation ones. No, they're probably not gonna have that level of functional insight right out of the academy, but I think most will get it within two years of field work. But more importantly, it's not the fresh outta of the academy folks that are going to be doing this stuff, it's going to be the ones on the special gun enforcement teams, and the ones investigating collateral crimes, and yes, those LEOs are going to know this.

 

[Gawernator]

I currently have 39 AW and voluntary registrations that are "in process" from 2018 in my CRIS transactions log.
Not a single one has been completed.
I have not heard of a single person whose CRIS transactions say anything other than "in process".

Wow..... so it is everyone

 

[AR15barrels]

Wow..... so it is everyone

I suspect that to be the case.
If you hear of anyone who has something other than "in process" in their CRIS transaction log, have them screen-shot it and redact their personal info and post it.

 

[AR15barrels]

I sense sarcasm here.

I think you know me well.

 

[Warpspeed]

IIRC, my CFARS shows "in progress" for my BBAW registration but in fact, I did get the completed notification by mail. TBH, it has been awhile since I have been in the database so it could be completed.

 

[CadeH]

Why would CFARS say in process years and years later?

My FMBUS has been in review since 2022, when I moved back and registered it

 

[Gawernator]

IIRC, my CFARS shows "in progress" for my BBAW registration but in fact, I did get the completed notification by mail. TBH, it has been awhile since I have been in the database so it could be completed.

I don't remember getting the letter but I might have and just forgotten since it's been so long. I keep a printout of the CFARS reg with the rifle just in case