M&P 2.0 Safety Delete

[bcj68]

I have a M&P 2.0 compact. I want to ccw it, but I am so used to guns without a manual safety and I keep accidentally activating it on the 2.0. It's to the point I am worried I'll get myself killed when I need it. I love every other aspect of the gun. I am considering removing the safety (like the thousands of them out there in free states...).

What are the thoughts of you out there who carry or have any legal frame of reference? Should I just get another gun?

 

[vplaza96]

I have the M&P 2.0 10mm on my CCW and I removed the external safety when I bought it via PPT a couple of years ago. Like you, my other guns are without external safeties, so it didn't make sense for me to have to learn a different way to draw for this gun.

That said, I'm renewing this year and the M&P is being replaced on my CCW by the Echelon 4.0C. And I may replace another one of the guns on my CCW with the PDP Compact that I'm breaking out of jail in Monday.

 

[drinktothat421]

I mean if you dont want to train the safty remove it. One less thing to do before you shoot is always faster. I have my hd p4 and p365 that didnt take much time to get my timing on the safty.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Just take it out. Takes less than ten minutes to yank out the mag disconnect and the thumb safety

 

[abe_gonz]

I have a M&P 2.0 compact. I want to ccw it, but I am so used to guns without a manual safety and I keep accidentally activating it on the 2.0. It's to the point I am worried I'll get myself killed when I need it. I love every other aspect of the gun. I am considering removing the safety (like the thousands of them out there in free states...).

What are the thoughts of you out there who carry or have any legal frame of reference? Should I just get another gun?

Remove it. Order the safety plugs from eBay.

 

[Soless]

You're not compromising safety by removing it. There are plenty of online tutorials and plugs can be purchased at various retailers to cover the gaps in the frame. S&W used to give/sell them directly to you, but that's not happening anymore.

 

[Spork]

It's a super easy job and basically falls out itself when you remove the sear housing along with the mag disconnect.

I have a extra pair of the eBay plugs I'm giving away if you want them OP, pics in my classifieds

 

[saudadeii]

Since you're going to CC it, you need to check with your IA to see if they allow mods. Some jurisdictions allow pretty much any mod as along as the weapon is still safe to carry (their discretion). Some others won't allow just about any mod.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Since you're going to CC it, you need to check with your IA to see if they allow mods. Some jurisdictions allow pretty much any mod as along as the weapon is still safe to carry (their discretion). Some others won't allow just about any mod.

the caveat to that is if your IA allows off roster versions, the off roster version of the M&P is available without the thumb safety, would they ever know and if they did would it hold up in court? This hasn't been tested in court most likely but it's something I wonder about even though my jurisdiction doesn't police modifications.

 

[bcj68]

My IA is my old agency (LEO retired) but my bigger concern is our state at some time, deciding to turn around and say that by taking off the safeties, we have manufactured or somehow created an unsafe handgun… And then coming after us that way.

 

[saudadeii]

For example, Contra Costa County is very restrictive. Here's just a few.

https://www.cocosheriff.org/how-do-i/apply-for-a-ccw-permit

"Prohibited firearms include any single action only firearms. This includes any semi-automatic handgun made by any manufacturer built on the Colt 1911 configuration.

Firearms with attached laser sights, flashlights, red dots, and sighting systems are not acceptable. Glow in the dark or luminescent sights are acceptable.

Firearms which have been modified, including modifications to triggers, slides, safety mechanisms, conversions, and magazine releases are not approved.

Any modifications to firearms after issuance of a permit may result in revocation."

So if you live in CoCo county and buy an on or off roster M&P9 (optics ready), just mounting a red dot could result in denial or revocation if added after issuance.

In Orange County, for example:

"Modifications are allowed for approved CCW listed firearms so long as all parts/modifications are legal in the State of California. All firearm modifications must be inspected at the time of training to ensure the firearm is in safe working order.

If a modification(s) is done after the issuance of the license, you must complete the training/inspection as if it were a newly listed firearm."

 

[NorCalBusa]

For example, Contra Costa County is very restrictive. Here's just a few.

https://www.cocosheriff.org/how-do-i/apply-for-a-ccw-permit

"Prohibited firearms include any single action only firearms. This includes any semi-automatic handgun made by any manufacturer built on the Colt 1911 configuration.

Firearms with attached laser sights, flashlights, red dots, and sighting systems are not acceptable. Glow in the dark or luminescent sights are acceptable.

Firearms which have been modified, including modifications to triggers, slides, safety mechanisms, conversions, and magazine releases are not approved.

Any modifications to firearms after issuance of a permit may result in revocation."

So if you live in CoCo county and buy an on or off roster M&P9 (optics ready), just mounting a red dot could result in denial or revocation if added after issuance.

In Orange County, for example:

"Modifications are allowed for approved CCW listed firearms so long as all parts/modifications are legal in the State of California. All firearm modifications must be inspected at the time of training to ensure the firearm is in safe working order.

If a modification(s) is done after the issuance of the license, you must complete the training/inspection as if it were a newly listed firearm."

There has to be that ONE F-ING GUY behind crap like that. He needs to retire and write his book.

ORCO's is a copy of what I wrote years ago; if its legal to own in California, its ok for CCW. Sheriff's, all of them, need to stay the hell out of the gun making business and making up their own rules (which is DOJ's business).

 

[Soless]

My IA is my old agency (LEO retired) but my bigger concern is our state at some time, deciding to turn around and say that by taking off the safeties, we have manufactured or somehow created an unsafe handgun… And then coming after us that way.

There's already millions of guns that exist without them in this state. They already have passive safeties integrated within the gun prior to catering to restrictive states unnecessary demands. Keep the old parts and reinstall if we ever let the state come after us. Or if you are overly concerned with what might never be, leave the safety in and adapt to it.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

My IA is my old agency (LEO retired) but my bigger concern is our state at some time, deciding to turn around and say that by taking off the safeties, we have manufactured or somehow created an unsafe handgun… And then coming after us that way.

"manufacturing an unsafe handgun" only applies to literally manufacturing one from scratch and not what a consumer does. Also, even under the strict rules of the roster the thumb safety is unnecessary to pass the tests and it would have been put on the roster without it. It's not an issue.

 

[bcj68]

There has to be that ONE F-ING GUY behind crap like that. He needs to retire and write his book.

ORCO's is a copy of what I wrote years ago; if its legal to own in California, its ok for CCW. Sheriff's, all of them, need to stay the hell out of the gun making business and making up their own rules (which is DOJ's business).

Agreed - the more they delve into their preferences in CCW and their preference for whatever "extra" safety protocols the more restrictive they get. They should have to publish their "why" for every one of these additional restrictions, then be willing to defend them.

 

[NorCalBusa]

Agreed - the more they delve into their preferences in CCW and their preference for whatever "extra" safety protocols the more restrictive they get. They should have to publish their "why" for every one of these additional restrictions, then be willing to defend them.

And if they don't, they loose their right to carry off duty for 1 year- per such occurrence. At the third such event- they can't carry at all, on or off duty or when retired. That'll get their attention.