News M&P 2.0 10mm added to roster. Turners taking deposits.

[GoldensRule]

Reloading is your friend

Yeah, there is a return on investment calculus to be evaluated about that. Not only the financial investment in reloading equipment and supplies but also the investment of time and energy.

 

[vplaza96]

Yeah, there is a return on investment calculus to be evaluated about that. Not only the financial investment in reloading equipment and supplies but also the investment of time and energy.

Very true. I find it cathartic and spend maybe an hour or so once or twice a week between dinner and bedtime reloading for my weekly trips to the range.

 

[M_N04H]

Have you held this weapon in your hand yet? Are you a big guy? How does it feel? I have extra large hands (can palm a basketball) and I like a really beefy feeling sidearm. I see that S&W sells this as a bundle for $699 and that looks like an insanely great deal. See: https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/m-p-10mm-m2-0-4-6-inch-thumb-safety-carry-on-bundle

I rented it once. I'm not a big guy. 5'6", about 160 pds, felt great, shot great. Those bundles look great but have they ever done anything like that here in CA?

 

[GoldensRule]

Very true. I find it cathartic and spend maybe an hour or so once or twice a week between dinner and bedtime reloading for my weekly trips to the range.

I can see where it would be cathartic and also a good opportunity to listen to an audiobook, I mean after you know exactly what you are doing. Wouldn't want any double loads on a .308 or, heaven forbid a .416!

 

[GoldensRule]

I rented it once. I'm not a big guy. 5'6", about 160 pds, felt great, shot great. Those bundles look great but have they ever done anything like that here in CA?

I can't answer that question but, I did notice they included 10 round mags on that page in addition to the 15 round mags so, it makes sense they COULD do it in CA.

 

[GoldensRule]

I don't have extra large hands, but it fits great for me. For comparison with my other guns....View attachment 155142

Beautiful collection but, I am not intimately familiar with all the different weapons out there to be able to tell what sidearms are shown in the picture.

 

[vplaza96]

Beautiful collection but, I am not intimately familiar with all the different weapons out there to be able to tell what sidearms are shown in the picture.

Clockwise from top right...Echelon 4.0C, XDM Elite 3.8 with full size grip, XD9 4", and S&W M&P 2.0 10mm

 

[GoldensRule]

Clockwise from top right...Echelon 4.0C, XDM Elite 3.8 with full size grip, XD9 4", and S&W M&P 2.0 10mm

So, you already own the 10mm S&W?

 

[vplaza96]

Yup, bought off-roster a couple of years ago

 

[GoldensRule]

Yup, bought off-roster a couple of years ago

Nice! So, the one criticism I read about the weapon is it comes with plastic plates for mounting optics, is that true? What criticisms of the weapon do you have?

 

[vplaza96]

Nice! So, the one criticism I read about the weapon is it comes with plastic plates for mounting optics, is that true? What criticisms of the weapon do you have?

The seller didn't have the plates so I bought one for the Holosun from C&H Precision. I really don't have any negatives to say about the gun. It did have the external manual safety, which I removed. But it shoots all the loads I've thrown at it, including reloads.

 

[Lord оf War]

Has anyone written to S&W if they plan to sell the Bodyguard 2.0 380 in California and what month to add it for us or they don't think it's necessary?

 

[Deleted member 11316]

Reloading is your friend

I’ve looked into reloading but it seemed like it isn’t much of a cost break so much as a way to ensure consistent quality. Please inform me if I am mistaken

 

[GoldensRule]

The seller didn't have the plates so I bought one for the Holosun from C&H Precision. I really don't have any negatives to say about the gun. It did have the external manual safety, which I removed. But it shoots all the loads I've thrown at it, including reloads.

Thanks for the insights.

So, tell me why you would remove the external safety? I have always liked having one. Also, it seems to me that intentionally altering a safety feature of a firearm could expose you to exponentially greater legal liability and even denial of coverage by your homeowner's insurance company in the event of an incident?

Not challenging you, I am genuinely curious.

 

[GoldensRule]

I’ve looked into reloading but it seemed like it isn’t much of a cost break so much as a way to ensure consistent quality. Please inform me if I am mistaken

I did a little research yesterday and the best price I could find for quality 10mm FMJ 180gr was, ~.35 / per round with free shipping when purchasing qty. 1,000.

 

[GoldensRule]

Reloading is your friend

Out of curiosity, have you ever calculated what it costs you to reload your 10mm? I assume you are using FMJ?

 

[vplaza96]

Out of curiosity, have you ever calculated what it costs you to reload your 10mm? I assume you are using FMJ?

So, my situation is a little different in that my only real costs today for reloading 10mm are primers and bullets. I have plenty of powder that I purchased many many years ago and I have lots of brass to reload. So, with those two components, it's running me around probably 20 cents a round. Once I run out of powder, then that will go up slightly.

 

[vplaza96]

Thanks for the insights.

So, tell me why you would remove the external safety? I have always liked having one. Also, it seems to me that intentionally altering a safety feature of a firearm could expose you to exponentially greater legal liability and even denial of coverage by your homeowner's insurance company in the event of an incident?

Not challenging you, I am genuinely curious.

My main reason is that all my other CCW guns have no exterior safeties. It gives enough of a difference that would require different training/technique to carry it and be as competent with it as I am with my other guns. I don't want to be in a situation where I have to use it and forget that I'm carrying one of my guns that has an external safety. If all my carry guns had external safeties, then that would be different.

My old school 1006 and 5906 pistols had external safeties, but I don't carry those.

Also, the gun is available without an external safety, so removing it doesn't make it any less safe that other M&P 2.0 10mms that were sold without the external safety.

 

[GoldensRule]

So, my situation is a little different in that my only real costs today for reloading 10mm are primers and bullets. I have plenty of powder that I purchased many many years ago and I have lots of brass to reload. So, with those two components, it's running me around probably 20 cents a round. Once I run out of powder, then that will go up slightly.

Interesting, so if I can buy Blazer Brass 10MM 180gr for .34 per round qty 1000, free shipping vs. self loaded ( low end estimate) 1. Bullet - .15, Casing - .20, Primer - .08, Powder - .06 + the cost of the equipment, I would be running in the red for quite a while with self loaded before before I would hit the break even point let alone was in the black? Do my estimates look reasonable to you?

 

[vplaza96]

Interesting, so if I can buy Blazer Brass 10MM 180gr for .34 per round qty 1000, free shipping vs. self loaded ( low end estimate) 1. Bullet - .15, Casing - .20, Primer - .08, Powder - .06 + the cost of the equipment, I would be running in the red for quite a while with self loaded before before I would hit the break even point let alone was in the black? Do my estimates look reasonable to you?

They sound reasonable. Keep in mind that you can reuse your brass, so unless you don't pick up your brass after you shoot, that cost to reload will be done after the first shoot. The brass will eventually become unusable, but until then, just make sure to pick up every piece of 10mm brass. I've been fortunate in that once in a while, I'll be at a shooting bay where someone shot 10mm but didn't pick up their brass, so free brass to me!