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Hammer Fired CCW?

FoundFather said:
Yeah, I get it. If DA/SA doesn't matter to you, there are plenty of light striker fired guns. admittedly, thery are getting better all the time an I have a Hellcat on my CCW.

Everything else being equal, more rounds are better. But as lomg as the 10 round limit stands in CA, I'm Ok with trading 7 rounds out of a gun that is that easy to shoot and control and I enjoy shooting at the range vs. 10 out of anything that isn't. Real life gunfights typically involve 2-3 shots and 7 is more tha adequate.

The secret service and air marshals carried p239's for years. There was probably a reason for that.
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Good thing we got those 15/18 round freedom week mags… hah

My p2000SK is DA/SA, 12 round standard capacity or 15 with the extension
 
FoundFather said:
Yeah, I get it. If DA/SA doesn't matter to you, there are plenty of light striker fired guns. admittedly, thery are getting better all the time an I have a Hellcat on my CCW.

Everything else being equal, more rounds are better. But as lomg as the 10 round limit stands in CA, I'm Ok with trading 7 rounds out of a gun that is that easy to shoot and control and I enjoy shooting at the range vs. 10 out of anything that isn't. Real life gunfights typically involve 2-3 shots and 7 is more tha adequate.

The secret service and air marshals carried p239's for years. There was probably a reason for that.
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I hope that if you're ever unfortunate enough to be in a gunfight that it falls within your "stats" of 2-3 rounds and you don't need more. Just say'in.
 
Another vote for P2000SK. It conceals as good as Glock 26 although the HK's grip is a bit longer. It's the overall shape and the slide's profile that make the HK run flat on your waist line, IMHO. I really really wish Tenicor had an option for P2000SK.
 
oneaudiopro said:
I hope that if you're ever unfortunate enough to be in a gunfight that it falls within your "stats" of 2-3 rounds and you don't need more. Just say'in.
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I’ve been in a 1v1 and a 3v1, definitely would not be happy with less than 12-15 rounds in that situation and even that’s cutting it close.
 
coelacanth said:
Another vote for P2000SK. It conceals as good as Glock 26 although the HK's grip is a bit longer. It's the overall shape and the slide's profile that make the HK run flat on your waist line, IMHO. I really really wish Tenicor had an option for P2000SK.
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Yeah something about the shape conceals well and feels super comfortable to carry. Also you can use the 12/15 round P30SK mags with no problems. I find the pinky mag extension doesn’t really affect carry or printing at all
 
oneaudiopro said:
I hope that if you're ever unfortunate enough to be in a gunfight that it falls within your "stats" of 2-3 rounds and you don't need more. Just say'in.
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Agreed. I’d like to see this stat. Also gunfight seems to imply that it’s drawn out and a back and forth
 
FoundFather said:
76 posts and no one has mentioend what I believe to be the ultimate DA/SA hammer fired carry gun. S&W Chief's Special. No, not the revolver, the CS9: https://www.genitron.com/Handgun/Smith-Wesson/Pistol/CS9-(Chiefs-Special)/9-mm/Variant-2.

Arguably the smallest DA/SA ever made. Awesome trigger. I have one on my permit, but unfortunately, can't bear to carry it. It is in mint condition and was unfired when I bought it. It is coming off my permit on next renewal and going back to safe queen / range toy status.

Next up, Sig p239. Lots of mentions of the p229 but fewer of it's single stack cousin. I have the SAS version and it's a dream to shoot and to carry. I used to have five, but actually only have a couple left in .40 and .357 Sig. Sold the 9mm as I honestly can't feel the difference between 9mm and .40 in this gun. If they shoot the same, I'd rather have more power.
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The Chief's Special is a very rare find here.
 
Gawernator said:
Agreed. I’d like to see this stat. Also gunfight seems to imply that it’s drawn out and a back and forth
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Massad Ayoob and a number of other expert witnesses, who testify as defense experts in civilian use-of-force cases, frequently cite a study to that effect. The study itself was valid, but is pretty dated, and is the origin of the rule of the three yards, three rounds, three seconds generalization. The same study found that in between one-in-four and one-in-five civilian self defense incidents, zero rounds are actually fired because production of a firearm is, alone, often sufficient to end an encounter. I have the study printed in my files somewhere. Again, there was a valid study that used data complied by the FBI, but the study is super dated at this point.
 
dvoncock said:
Massad Ayoob and a number of other expert witnesses, who testify as defense experts in civilian use-of-force cases, frequently cite a study to that effect. The study itself was valid, but is pretty dated, and is the origin of the rule of the three yards, three rounds, three seconds generalization. The same study found that in between one-in-four and one-in-five civilian self defense incidents, zero rounds are actually fired because production of a firearm is, alone, often sufficient to end an encounter. I have the study printed in my files somewhere. Again, there was a valid study that used data complied by the FBI, but the study is super dated at this point.
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Yeah I found the study. Makes sense since my own encounter was literally that lol
 
Hindsight said:
I do have or owned dozens of 2011s. I carry an Atlas or a Staccato HD C4X. I owned a 2023 and 2024 cs and C. They're nice because they're a bit thinner, but the continual inclusion of a grip safety and the mag compatibility issues + lack of support moving forward is really the nail in the coffin for them.

Also, perhaps you're confused? The C and CS don't have cross compatibility with standard 2011 mags and for carry 2011s applicable freedom week mags are one of the more important aspects.

The C4X is probably one of the best carry 2011s on the market right now, not just in the CA market. Glock mag compatibility for freedom week mags while maintaining freedom week mag useage and a size and weight similar to a glock 19 while being extremely shootable (much better than a C/CS) makes it a pretty solid option.
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Agreed.
 
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