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D-Lead - Apparently too Tactical for California; now classified as “Skin Care”

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This is hilarious. Last time I tried ordering D-Lead from Amazon, it was restricted for delivery to California. I guess Amazon thought it was a gun part or something. LOL. This time, the order actually went through - and somehow it got classified as “skin care.” Which, technically… is correct. 😂

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Amazon isn't following any ab1263 things they are just run by robots

Yeah this seems 100% in line with how Amazon runs things. It's all just a matter of what things are categorized as.

By the way, I'm a fan of shopping at Action Target for these kind of things in bulk.
 
Amazon isn't following any ab1263 things they are just run by robots
California won't sue Amazon over AB1263 because Amazon has deep enough pockets to see it through and win. AB1263 is designed to force smaller businesses into compliance because they can't afford the legal fees.
 
California won't sue Amazon over AB1263 because Amazon has deep enough pockets to see it through and win. AB1263 is designed to force smaller businesses into compliance because they can't afford the legal fees.
Amazon already restricts gun parts, some sneak by because they call them something else but officially Amazon doesn't sell anything regulated by ab1263
 
I just ordered D-Lead wipes a huge pack on Amazon and I had no issues. They are great btw like wet naps. Mine wasn’t classified as skincare though.
 
Amazon already restricts gun parts, some sneak by because they call them something else but officially Amazon doesn't sell anything regulated by ab1263
If Amazon can figure out what is regulated by AB1263 and what is not they have a better understanding (better AI??) than 99.9% of the vendors in the country. You can pick many innocuous parts, say a replacement screw or spring, and some vendors will ship just fine while others say 'nope, must go to FFL' or 'that'll be another $20 for signature required shipping' or even 'we don't ship to California'.
 
Amazon already restricts gun parts, some sneak by because they call them something else but officially Amazon doesn't sell anything regulated by ab1263
Theres plenty of armorer's wrenches named that sold and shipped by Amazon that I can order next day delivery. I ordered a set of tools for my Glock (pin punch, mag punch, front sight screwdriver) a couple weeks ago that didn't have any requirements.

When it comes to specific parts you're right but the "tools intended for the use of manufacturing firearms" aspect of AB1263 seems to be ignored.
 
Theres plenty of armorer's wrenches named that sold and shipped by Amazon that I can order next day delivery. I ordered a set of tools for my Glock (pin punch, mag punch, front sight screwdriver) a couple weeks ago that didn't have any requirements.

When it comes to specific parts you're right but the "tools intended for the use of manufacturing firearms" aspect of AB1263 seems to be ignored.
The unfortunate side effect of the vagueness of the law is that small businesses that can't afford to mess up basically become overcautious and avoid our state altogether instead of dealing with it. Amazon has more than enough lawyers to make it a non problem.
 
Theres plenty of armorer's wrenches named that sold and shipped by Amazon that I can order next day delivery. I ordered a set of tools for my Glock (pin punch, mag punch, front sight screwdriver) a couple weeks ago that didn't have any requirements.

When it comes to specific parts you're right but the "tools intended for the use of manufacturing firearms" aspect of AB1263 seems to be ignored.
true I didn't think about those things, though arguably punches and screwdrivers don't "manufacture" firearms even under the strict Ca definition of assembly. Ironically a 3d printed glock clone doesn't require any tools to assemble.
 
true I didn't think about those things, though arguably punches and screwdrivers don't "manufacture" firearms even under the strict Ca definition of assembly. Ironically a 3d printed glock clone doesn't require any tools to assemble.
Its hard to say with how vague California's definition of manufacture is, which is just: "“manufacturing” or “assembling” a firearm means to fabricate or construct a firearm, including through additive, subtractive, or other processes, or to fit together the component parts of a firearm to construct a firearm.".

It can go either way when it comes to something like the installation of a front sight post, but an armorer's wrench falls into it imo.
 
Its hard to say with how vague California's definition of manufacture is, which is just: "“manufacturing” or “assembling” a firearm means to fabricate or construct a firearm, including through additive, subtractive, or other processes, or to fit together the component parts of a firearm to construct a firearm.".

It can go either way when it comes to something like the installation of a front sight post, but an armorer's wrench falls into it imo.
yeah an armorers wrench would but you don't need a punch to put a barrel on. most barrel nuts don't even need an armorers wrench anymore either. Most of these tools are actually for deconstructing a firearm ha.
 
yeah an armorers wrench would but you don't need a punch to put a barrel on. most barrel nuts don't even need an armorers wrench anymore either. Most of these tools are actually for deconstructing a firearm ha.
It really just depends on what California considers to be a "component of a firearm" and what tools qualify as being intended for it. It's so vague that really any tool can be considered one, so long as the "primary and intended purpose" of it is for firearms. A regular screwdriver doesn't count because the intended purpose can be just about anything, but a Glock front sight tool is primarily intended for the installation of Glock front sights. Is the front sight on a Glock a "component of a firearm"? Technically a firearm when it comes to Glocks is just the frame so who knows if that tool really qualifies. The law is so vague and all encompassing that I think if it came down to it it would be struck down under the vagueness doctrine, but we are in the 9th Circuit so who knows.
 
It really just depends on what California considers to be a "component of a firearm" and what tools qualify as being intended for it. It's so vague that really any tool can be considered one, so long as the "primary and intended purpose" of it is for firearms. A regular screwdriver doesn't count because the intended purpose can be just about anything, but a Glock front sight tool is primarily intended for the installation of Glock front sights. Is the front sight on a Glock a "component of a firearm"? Technically a firearm when it comes to Glocks is just the frame so who knows if that tool really qualifies. The law is so vague and all encompassing that I think if it came down to it it would be struck down under the vagueness doctrine, but we are in the 9th Circuit so who knows.
even the definition of Firearm is vague because it says its the receiver but also the assembled receiver, so are you manufacturing a firearm by assembling? the definition of assembling includes "fit together", but to "fit" means to put into the proper shape more than it does to "assemble". Even under the 3 per month law you can buy 36 receivers per year but you can only "manufacture" 3 per year. I don't even know if it's purposefully vague or just poorly written, but I don't see them going after anyone for selling punches. They are actively going after the 80% companies though.
 
This is hilarious. Last time I tried ordering D-Lead from Amazon, it was restricted for delivery to California. I guess Amazon thought it was a gun part or something. LOL. This time, the order actually went through - and somehow it got classified as “skin care.” Which, technically… is correct. 😂

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Since I've used regular soap instead of this my entire life do I now have cancer
 
If Amazon can figure out what is regulated by AB1263 and what is not they have a better understanding (better AI??) than 99.9% of the vendors in the country. You can pick many innocuous parts, say a replacement screw or spring, and some vendors will ship just fine while others say 'nope, must go to FFL' or 'that'll be another $20 for signature required shipping' or even 'we don't ship to California'.
Theres plenty of armorer's wrenches named that sold and shipped by Amazon that I can order next day delivery. I ordered a set of tools for my Glock (pin punch, mag punch, front sight screwdriver) a couple weeks ago that didn't have any requirements.

When it comes to specific parts you're right but the "tools intended for the use of manufacturing firearms" aspect of AB1263 seems to be ignored.
It's very random, I got a punch and hammer set from optics planet and it was normal. They wanted ID for a wrench set though and a cleaning kit. Ironically they shipped me a Wilson Combat P320 grip module no ID lmfao. Cleaning kit bad, actual huge gun part ok
 
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