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CMP upped annual rifle sales limits

aghauler

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Upped the limit to 12 per year, wonder if sales are that slow or they have product that's not moving well, due to quality? No listings for Rack, Field, or Service Grades. Is the current supply the not so nice-looking reimported stuff? I haven't ordered since the 90's when everything came out of Army crates, we had the Dane and Greek reimports, and pricing was still good. Out of 30 I eventually owned only 2 would have Graded as Field, all else were Service and a couple would have ended up on the Auction site now.
Just tried to order some Carbine and got denied, because the GCA didn't sent my membership info to CMP as I requested when I renewed my dues.
I remember my brother buying 30 Carbine in Stripper clips and bandoleers for 10 cents a round back in 1970 at the San Francisco Gun Exchange.
 
I've been waiting to see old guys complaining about it, all while filling out their packets and sending them in January 2nd themselves. :LOL:
 
Upped the limit to 12 per year, wonder if sales are that slow or they have product that's not moving well, due to quality? No listings for Rack, Field, or Service Grades. Is the current supply the not so nice-looking reimported stuff? I haven't ordered since the 90's when everything came out of Army crates, we had the Dane and Greek reimports, and pricing was still good. Out of 30 I eventually owned only 2 would have Graded as Field, all else were Service and a couple would have ended up on the Auction site now.
Just tried to order some Carbine and got denied, because the GCA didn't sent my membership info to CMP as I requested when I renewed my dues.
I remember my brother buying 30 Carbine in Stripper clips and bandoleers for 10 cents a round back in 1970 at the San Francisco Gun Exchange.
That 1970 carbine ammo would be .43 a round in today's money, still better than today's retail prices
 
I've been waiting to see old guys complaining about it, all while filling out their packets and sending them in January 2nd themselves. :LOL:
And just where is there a compliant? Old guys? Did I try to insult "newbie no nothing rookies" that have little to no knowledge of what makes a Garand Collectable or desirable? I was one once, yes, then I met a Garandsmith ( I believe he may have been on the CMP or GCA Board) that took me under his wing and taught me the value of the Garand, showed me what to look for and how people were "faking and rebuilding Garands to make them more valuable before reselling them".

He had over 250 Garands, all in order by manufacture, serial number range and all with parts with correct drawing number parts numbers and wood cartouches. He even traded one of my CMP Garands cuz it fit a "hole" in his collection due to serial number. I remember having to sign a document and return to CMP promising the rifle was for private use, not resale.
The "limits" have gone up and down over the years 4-6-8 now 12!
His kid collected M1 C's and M1D's, he had one straight Garand, cost him $4000 in 1995, it was documented as having been found on Iwo Jima, looked like total crap, pitted rusted, looked like run through a Sherman Tank tracks but had proven provenance.

I worked with a guy that drove over 200 miles to qualify to buy a "one in a lifetime" Garand under the old DCM.
1940 he started in a National Guard Coast Artillery unit based in, wait fer it.... North Dakota!

When the War came he was transferred to the Armored Corps cuz he was a farmboy- tractor mechanic. Spent the War chasing Pattons 3rd Army tanks and repairing them every night. Luckily he wasn't one the retrieval teams that went out and brought back the battle damaged Shermans, they had to spoon the crew out of, hose down the interior then repaint them and put back into service, he was glad to have missed that, did have a couple stories though! That unit was farther behind the lines.

As far as being an "OLD GUY and FILLING my order form Jan 2", that statement is total BS and frankly insulting, health has mandated beginning divesting my C&R Collection, so I only have 3 Garands left, an Augusta Arsenal rebuild, (I was told by the unique proof boxed proof P stamp, all birch wood) probably never reissued after rebuild, still had packing grease in the action from Army storage TE and ME ZERO, an H&R, completely H&R, TE and ME ZERO, and a true and correct, not built up kit gun, Italian Breda Danish Contract Garand.

I'm not buying any rifles (but ya never say never), I posted the thread as a "curious inquiry" NOT a "complaint" as you assert or infer.

My purchases were during luck of the draw times, most I paid was $495 for a Garand and accepted what they shipped, only having been test fired by CMP.

Not reparked or reassembled after cleaning by CMP with CMP wood, those don't interest me (especially since I've sold off all my USGI parts and matching wood sets), as soon as they are disassembled and thrown into parts bins the history is lost. But you might get a pretty shooter (possibly somewhat pitted under the new park).

I'd prefer a Rack, Field, or Service grade (hoping for USGI wood) rather than anything assembled after a bunch of Garands were disassembled, cleaned, and thrown into a parts bin then reassembled. Those don't interest me.

I've had the pleasure of conversing with some of the guys that wrote the books on Garands, including Scott Duff.

I could tell you stories about the two times CMP made the effort to come to the Reno Big Show, actually the first of multiple times I attended that show and witnessed Rude, inconsiderate people and only at the CMP tables! Everybody had the "Blue Book" in their back pockets and were trying match up manufacturers, serail numbers drawing numbers etc, CMP staff finally had to limit people to 5 minutes at the tables, make a selection, or not, and move on. People were stacked 10+ deep waiting a turn at the table.

Orest Micheals actually picked out a LESS wood for me, which I had wood for at home. Back then people were begging the CMP to open a Store in the West. All firearms sold had to go back to the CMP so purchasers could send their paperwork in then get shipped what they bought.

I'll end with nothing but Admiration for the folks at CMP and the quality of Customer Service is top notch and should be emulated by other companies/persons in service positions!
 
A while back when Orest was running the CMP, they said they wanted to get out of the rifle sales business. Makes sense to up the yearly limit if they want to get rid of inventory. At this point everyone that wants an M1 has had ample time to buy multiples over the last 10 years. The limit made sense when they wanted to ensure everyone that wanted one got one. That's probably not the case anymore.
 
A while back when Orest was running the CMP, they said they wanted to get out of the rifle sales business. Makes sense to up the yearly limit if they want to get rid of inventory. At this point everyone that wants an M1 has had ample time to buy multiples over the last 10 years. The limit made sense when they wanted to ensure everyone that wanted one got one. That's probably not the case anymore.
Bet your right, that's why the limit has bounced up and down over the years, especially when they were coming from USGI Arsenal Storage, not the reimported Garands. Remember the Denmark repatriated ones with the last inch or so rifling smoothed out due to excessive cleaning rod wear, that was the speculation. Some referred to them as blunderbuss bores. The Greek returns were in better shape only many had a black refinish on them, including the 03's and 03A3's.
I bought 1 -2 per year, only once ordered 3 Garands at once my last order.
Dealt with 2 and actually forgot #3 in the garage for almost a year.
Moving boxes one day, I said uh oh heavy, opened it to find that all correct H&R with Zero BBL wear! It would be on the CMP Auction site now, I never would see it and couldn't afford to pay for it now.
I remember when Orest made the "getting out the Garand business" and needing the sales to fund the CMP activities in the future. People were afraid they run out before they could get their limits at the time. Then CMP kept coming up with more Garands.
Realistically many of the early collectors and accumulators (more my of classification) have passed on, with collections/groupings being divested, which possibly decreases the insatiable demand for Garands there once was.
 
aghauler, are we a little ...ahem... triggered? 😆🤣

It takes all of about 7 seconds to find all kinds of threads of people complaining about CMP limits being "too high" and letting the unwashed masses buy a bunch of them to resell. It's been a complaint by the old guys for many many years.

Not sure why you think anything was directed at you but go ahead and be offended. 🙄
 
aghauler, are we a little ...ahem... triggered? 😆🤣

It takes all of about 7 seconds to find all kinds of threads of people complaining about CMP limits being "too high" and letting the unwashed masses buy a bunch of them to resell. It's been a complaint by the old guys for many many years.

Not sure why you think anything was directed at you but go ahead and be offended. 🙄
Your "I've been waiting to see 'old guys complaining about it', all while filling out their packets and sending them in January 2nd themselves." Comment I found offensive, actually a better description is SNARKY, as I never motherless 🐐ed about limits not being one of those types. Everyone has to start somewhere to learn.
I remember reading about guys encouraging others to buying the maximum limit, Cherry picking the best, swapping part to make "more correct" etc. THEN selling the leftovers to pay for the units they kept and making profit at the time against CMP protocol when you still had to return a receipt to CMP when delivered swearing the Garand was for personal use, not for resale. Those that engaged in that activity without an FFL (which I just happened to have) were Dealing in firearms without a license which gave us all a bad name. Referring to the "UNWASHED" seems insulting to prospective new owners and possibility up and coming experts and student of the Garand. What's your GCA #? or have you bothered to join support and appreciate the info provided?
Not "triggered" just disappointed in the SNARKY attitude. Wouldn't have lasted more than a minute on the old Calguns forum. People were treated with respect, if not, others called them out.

Somehow my comment is being altered with odd texts and emojis! Weird! This is being inserted into my comment : "as I never motherless 🐐ed"
 
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