Clubs Banning the Sig p320

[ReaperCustom45]

It's not a gun grabber issue. Like others said, it's an insurance coverage issue. The range isn't covered if theres an incident which threatens the entire facility.

The reality is SigSauer is not doing anything about it as incidents keep happening. So ranges don't really have a choice if the manufacturer won't acknowledge there's an issue when that's the only firearm we really see with issues like that.

I'm annoyed too because I like my p320 and many of us have them but Sig really dropped the ball on this one.

See, I thought the same thing, but if it's an insurance issue, why are 95% of ranges still allowing it? And most of the places that banned it did so immediately after a big story broke of it going off by itself. That to me says they are white knighting, not an issue with the insurance company. I doubt most insurance companies are even keeping up on firearm news.

 

[Gawernator]

In Q1 2026, Metcalf Range (South San Jose) banned all P320 variants.

Laguna Seca (yes, there is a modest sized range at the racetrack, be sure to check and double check the range webpage- they were to be open last month but then closed the range entirely for races.
6th Nation in Panoche allows them.
BLM Griswold is wide open- blast whatever fuels you. Just clean up leaving it better than when you found it
Dunno about Reeds in San Jose or Los Altos R&G.

I suspect its really their insurance underwriters that banned any of them. Too many all banned within a week of each other for that to be coincidental.

There is a range at Laguna Seca, no fking way.... I did not see that racing there

 

[Gawernator]

I swear some of these “p320s are death machines and Sig is evil” guys are parroting the same slogans and using the same flawed thinking as the Everytown people who call for litigation against firearms manufacturers when their gun is used in a deliberate homicide.

We found out the famous Air Force “incident” was bogus because they have rigorous investigation protocols; the same can’t be said for Joe Schmoe who accidentally pulled the trigger while holstering at the range. “It’s a p320, it was the gun I swear guys I wasn’t even touching the trigger”

It's always a random incident, involving a holster and some other factor, never any investigation or evidence and they will always refuse a laboratory inspection of the gun. It's literally just Glock leg hysteria v2

The Air Force "ban" ended up in the guns having found no issue wrong and the Airman and another were charged with manslaughter and false statements

 

[ikeo1]

There's this rule about arguing with someone in their own house, but I think this is just incorrect

Sig has put a lot of time and resources into trying to duplicate the reported incidents. Many have turned out to be explainable (key scratches...) and the outright false report of in the Air Force incident has certainly tainted the issue. What Sig hasn't done is found or fixed anything. Perhaps there's nothing to find or perhaps a defect with an infinitesimally small occurrence is eluding them.

You can call it a small occurrence but its really not. Since they haven't found anything and it's still going on, there was one false report but still many other reports then that's why it's banned.

If they can't find the problem but it still happens. Like I said, i still own a P320 but I've also seen the issue. I don't blame ranges like everyone seems to be doing. It's basically a stalemate. Why would anyone feel like they should allow people to bring in a liability if the manufacturer can't find the problem but reports are still coming in.

All I'm saying is, people who are blaming the range are blaming the wrong people. It's basically CYA and the reaction is it's not real when I've seen the signade happen.

Theres two specific issues with the platform.

1.) No saftey dingus - so it's a precocked striker ( uncommanded discharges )
2.) Unsupported Chamber which cause the frame to signade - i've seen this a few times

It's just a perspective with someone who's seen a lot of P320's and issues. I think if Sig added the saftey dingus like Gray Guns decided to do, that would be a step forward in addressing at least the uncommanded discharge. I have not had any issues with it after 25k+ rounds, but you this is just the reality its random.

 

[Gawernator]

I don’t think this is true. It’s somewhere in the middle; I doubt any insurer has attempted to write in an exclusion or endorsement altering coverage for sig p320s specifically. It’s about ranges being worried about an incident occurring (which would be covered) and then having the occurrence impact their rates.

So the insurance company used in the Bay Area with a few ranges has an issue but the rest of the state is fine, and majority of the country? That is odd. Did they do the same for all the Glocks going off in holsters and shooting cops in the leg and feet? I don't know of any range around me that has a "P320 ban" and I'm not sure how it would be enforced anyways. I never see people inspecting my guns that closely. There has been no fix or response from Sig Sauer because there is no actual known issue besides the drop safety that was fixed in 2017, and many guns that are not drop safe aren't banned either.

As far as the lawsuits, there have been endless lawsuits against Glock as well from the 90's to present. The more popular the platform, the more likely it is some dumb dumb has an issue with one. With 5 million units out there, if there truly was an issue then we would see soldiers and police dying daily from the guns going off uncommanded, yet it doesn't happen.

 

[grandpapeepap]

Does it matter when the FCU was made? wasnt there a "voluntary upgrade" program they did and the ones made after were gucci? I have no doubt about my custom works FCU but my risk aversion might be different than others

 

[Gawernator]

Anyone with half a brain left sig last year. The rest are holding on for dear life.

Wild.

Nah the P226 is still arguably a near-perfectly designed handgun, and the P365 is the best selling handgun in America.

 

[grandpapeepap]

You can call it a small occurrence but its really not. Since they haven't found anything and it's still going on, there was one false report but still many other reports then that's why it's banned.

If they can't find the problem but it still happens. Like I said, i still own a P320 but I've also seen the issue. I don't blame ranges like everyone seems to be doing. It's basically a stalemate. Why would anyone feel like they should allow people to bring in a liability if the manufacturer can't find the problem but reports are still coming in.

All I'm saying is, people who are blaming the range are blaming the wrong people. It's basically CYA and the reaction is it's not real when I've seen the signade happen.

Theres two specific issues with the platform.

1.) No saftey dingus - so it's a precocked striker ( uncommanded discharges )
2.) Unsupported Chamber which cause the frame to signade - i've seen this a few times

It's just a perspective with someone who's seen a lot of P320's and issues. I think if Sig added the saftey dingus like Gray Guns decided to do, that would be a step forward in addressing at least the uncommanded discharge. I have not had any issues with it after 25k+ rounds, but you this is just the reality its random.


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I believe the state of NH gave sig immunity and thats where their headquarters is right?

 

[ReaperCustom45]

So the insurance company used in the Bay Area with a few ranges has an issue but the rest of the state is fine, and majority of the country? That is odd. Did they do the same for all the Glocks going off in holsters and shooting cops in the leg and feet? I don't know of any range around me that has a "P320 ban" and I'm not sure how it would be enforced anyways. I never see people inspecting my guns that closely. There has been no fix or response from Sig Sauer because there is no actual known issue besides the drop safety that was fixed in 2017, and many guns that are not drop safe aren't banned either.

As far as the lawsuits, there have been endless lawsuits against Glock as well from the 90's to present.

I agree. Whatever the reason is, I won't shoot at a range that won't let me shoot my legally owned firearm. Don't care what their reason is, there's plenty of other ranges that will let you shoot whatever you want.

Does it matter when the FCU was made? wasnt there a "voluntary upgrade" program they did and the ones made after were gucci? I have no doubt about my custom works FCU but my risk aversion might be different than others

Nope. As far as the "issue", no one has been able to identify what/if there is an actual issue, therefore no "fix" exists for it. The voluntary upgrade was to correct a drop safe issue the original 320s had due to a heavy trigger shoe and light springs, if dropped at a certain angle the trigger would essentially pull itself due to the weight of the trigger shoe. That is what the upgrade corrected.

 

[grandpapeepap]

I agree. Whatever the reason is, I won't shoot at a range that won't let me shoot my legally owned firearm. Don't care what their reason is, there's plenty of other ranges that will let you shoot whatever you want.

Nope. As far as the "issue", no one has been able to identify what/if there is an actual issue, therefore no "fix" exists for it. The voluntary upgrade was to correct a drop safe issue the original 320s had due to a heavy trigger shoe and light springs, if dropped at a certain angle the trigger would essentially pull itself due to the weight of the trigger shoe. That is what the upgrade corrected.

 

[ikeo1]

I believe the state of NH gave sig immunity and thats where their headquarters is right?

Yes, they fought for immunity instead. What can you do...

So if they don't want to take responsibility, neither does the range. So you have to use a different firearm or shoot somewhere else that allows it. That's pretty much it..

 

[ReaperCustom45]

Nah the P226 is still arguably a near-perfectly designed handgun, and the P365 is the best selling handgun in America.

I can't even count how many 365s I sold, it was by far our best selling handgun. 320s dropped off last year after the Air Force BS that turned out to be fake, but most people never bothered to read the follow up to that. Before that, we could barely keep 320s or 365s in stock. I'm not the biggest fan of the 320, but the 365 is fantastic, and of course their older models are still damn good firearms. I find myself missing my P220, will probably have to get another soon.

 

[ikeo1]

My Response to this is people lie.... I have them in my store trying to get me to fix what they messed up.
They will literally come in and say "this spring just fell out of my 320FCU" umm no it didn't... you took it apart... put it back together wrong and realized you missed a spring.

People will come in with the FCU and a bag of parts where they tried to change out the trigger and gave up and now I have a bag of new and old parts mixed together.

One gun will kaboom and they will come in cause I sold it to them (not Sig) and they blame the gun or the factory ammo I sold them. (6 months later their friend will come in saying they were making their own +P+ ammo and his gun also blew up)

These people are not going to go "Yeah, I've been tinkering with my gun/ammo so who know"

With all the current Sig criticism its blame free to just blame the Sig.

I have yet to have anyone come back to tell me their Sig had an issue. I have sold that many but my bound book shows a little over 2k P320's.

I get ya, but it's different kinds of volume.. You can sell 2k P320's i'll see way less but we run through, for a class 1000-2000 rounds so the wear is a lot more. I'm not saying majority is messed up, but it's roulette so the ranges would rather just not deal with it.

I don't blame them for it as annoying as it is.

 

[ikeo1]

I can't even count how many 365s I sold, it was by far our best selling handgun. 320s dropped off last year after the Air Force BS that turned out to be fake, but most people never bothered to read the follow up to that. Before that, we could barely keep 320s or 365s in stock. I'm not the biggest fan of the 320, but the 365 is fantastic, and of course their older models are still damn good firearms. I find myself missing my P220, will probably have to get another soon.

I think the reality is P365 is their new cash cow so they basically said F the P320

 

[Gawernator]

Here are notable lawsuits involving Glock, grouped by type. This is not every case ever filed, but it covers the major categories: product-liability/accidental discharge claims, public-nuisance/criminal-misuse claims, “Glock switch” conversion claims, and newer consumer/product-defect claims.


Wasylow v. Glock, Inc., 975 F. Supp. 370, District of Massachusetts, 1996.
A sheriff’s-office worker shot himself while handling/storing a Glock and sued Glock under product-liability theories. The federal court granted summary judgment for Glock. This is an older example of plaintiffs arguing the Glock design was defective because of its lack of external/manual safety features.


Ileto v. Glock, Inc., Ninth Circuit, 2009.
This came from the 1999 Los Angeles Jewish Community Center shooting. Plaintiffs sued Glock and other gun companies, alleging negligent distribution/marketing theories tied to criminal misuse. The Ninth Circuit dealt heavily with the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which generally protects gun makers from many lawsuits over third-party criminal misuse. The case is important because it shows how hard it is to sue manufacturers for crimes committed by someone else with their product.


Chavez v. Glock, Inc., California Court of Appeal, 2012.
Enrique Chavez sued Glock after his son found a loaded Glock 21 under a truck seat and accidentally shot him, leaving him seriously injured. The claim argued the pistol was defectively designed because the trigger could be pulled too easily and because it lacked additional manual/grip safety features. The case is one of the more well-known California Glock product-liability cases.


Oglesbee v. Glock, Inc., Northern District of Oklahoma.
Patrick Oglesbee alleged that a Glock 19 fell from a holster, hit the ground, discharged, and shot him in the leg. The case involved product-liability/drop-fire type allegations. This is closer to the type of claim people usually compare to Sig P320 litigation, although Glock has not had the same broad public controversy as the P320.


Chicago v. Glock, filed 2024.
Chicago sued Glock alleging that Glock pistols can be easily converted into illegal machine guns using “Glock switches” or auto sears, and that Glock failed to change its design despite knowing about the problem. In 2025, Chicago announced the case had survived enough to proceed to discovery.


Baltimore and Maryland v. Glock, filed 2025.
Maryland and Baltimore sued Glock under Maryland’s Gun Industry Accountability Act. The suit alleges Glock knowingly contributed to the spread of illegal machine-gun conversions by continuing to sell pistols allegedly easy to modify with switches. This is part of the newer wave of “Glock switch” lawsuits.


Minnesota v. Glock, filed 2024/2025.
Minnesota sued Glock and its Austrian parent company, alleging consumer-fraud, deceptive-trade-practices, false-advertising, negligence, and nuisance theories related to Glock pistols being convertible with illegal switches. Minnesota’s AG sought design changes, penalties, and disgorgement.


Parents’ lawsuit involving Glock 26 toddler shooting, filed/announced 2024.
A family sued over an unintentional shooting involving a Glock 26, alleging the pistol lacked safety features that could have prevented a toddler from firing it. This is another “no manual safety/light trigger design” theory, more like the older Chavez-type claims than the switch cases.


Holmes v. Glock, Inc., filed March 2026.
A newer proposed class action alleges Glock concealed a “dangerous chamber defect” in certain pistols that could damage casings and potentially injure users. This appears to be a consumer-fraud/product-defect style class action, not a criminal-misuse case

 

[grandpapeepap]

Here are notable lawsuits involving Glock, grouped by type. This is not every case ever filed, but it covers the major categories: product-liability/accidental discharge claims, public-nuisance/criminal-misuse claims, “Glock switch” conversion claims, and newer consumer/product-defect claims.


Wasylow v. Glock, Inc., 975 F. Supp. 370, District of Massachusetts, 1996.
A sheriff’s-office worker shot himself while handling/storing a Glock and sued Glock under product-liability theories. The federal court granted summary judgment for Glock. This is an older example of plaintiffs arguing the Glock design was defective because of its lack of external/manual safety features.


Ileto v. Glock, Inc., Ninth Circuit, 2009.
This came from the 1999 Los Angeles Jewish Community Center shooting. Plaintiffs sued Glock and other gun companies, alleging negligent distribution/marketing theories tied to criminal misuse. The Ninth Circuit dealt heavily with the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which generally protects gun makers from many lawsuits over third-party criminal misuse. The case is important because it shows how hard it is to sue manufacturers for crimes committed by someone else with their product.


Chavez v. Glock, Inc., California Court of Appeal, 2012.
Enrique Chavez sued Glock after his son found a loaded Glock 21 under a truck seat and accidentally shot him, leaving him seriously injured. The claim argued the pistol was defectively designed because the trigger could be pulled too easily and because it lacked additional manual/grip safety features. The case is one of the more well-known California Glock product-liability cases.


Oglesbee v. Glock, Inc., Northern District of Oklahoma.
Patrick Oglesbee alleged that a Glock 19 fell from a holster, hit the ground, discharged, and shot him in the leg. The case involved product-liability/drop-fire type allegations. This is closer to the type of claim people usually compare to Sig P320 litigation, although Glock has not had the same broad public controversy as the P320.


Chicago v. Glock, filed 2024.
Chicago sued Glock alleging that Glock pistols can be easily converted into illegal machine guns using “Glock switches” or auto sears, and that Glock failed to change its design despite knowing about the problem. In 2025, Chicago announced the case had survived enough to proceed to discovery.


Baltimore and Maryland v. Glock, filed 2025.
Maryland and Baltimore sued Glock under Maryland’s Gun Industry Accountability Act. The suit alleges Glock knowingly contributed to the spread of illegal machine-gun conversions by continuing to sell pistols allegedly easy to modify with switches. This is part of the newer wave of “Glock switch” lawsuits.


Minnesota v. Glock, filed 2024/2025.
Minnesota sued Glock and its Austrian parent company, alleging consumer-fraud, deceptive-trade-practices, false-advertising, negligence, and nuisance theories related to Glock pistols being convertible with illegal switches. Minnesota’s AG sought design changes, penalties, and disgorgement.


Parents’ lawsuit involving Glock 26 toddler shooting, filed/announced 2024.
A family sued over an unintentional shooting involving a Glock 26, alleging the pistol lacked safety features that could have prevented a toddler from firing it. This is another “no manual safety/light trigger design” theory, more like the older Chavez-type claims than the switch cases.


Holmes v. Glock, Inc., filed March 2026.
A newer proposed class action alleges Glock concealed a “dangerous chamber defect” in certain pistols that could damage casings and potentially injure users. This appears to be a consumer-fraud/product-defect style class action, not a criminal-misuse case

I cant find the video now, but there was a video on the 320 lawsuits that showed that sig tampered with the holster of the person who was suing them over the issue of it going off in the holster. Glock leg and 12lb trigger pulls name a more iconic duo

 

[ReaperCustom45]

I think the reality is P365 is their new cash cow so they basically said F the P320

I agree. And realistically that makes sense, even without the 320 drama. It's just a better, more versatile platform. At this point if it wasn't for all the contracts they have for the 320, I think they probably would've just discontinued it and focus more on building out the 365 to it's fullest potential.

 

[weaverftw]

I cant find the video now, but there was a video on the 320 lawsuits that showed that sig tampered with the holster of the person who was suing them over the issue of it going off in the holster. Glock leg and 12lb trigger pulls name a more iconic duo

Citation needed

 

[weaverftw]

So the insurance company used in the Bay Area with a few ranges has an issue but the rest of the state is fine, and majority of the country? That is odd. Did they do the same for all the Glocks going off in holsters and shooting cops in the leg and feet? I don't know of any range around me that has a "P320 ban" and I'm not sure how it would be enforced anyways. I never see people inspecting my guns that closely. There has been no fix or response from Sig Sauer because there is no actual known issue besides the drop safety that was fixed in 2017, and many guns that are not drop safe aren't banned either.

As far as the lawsuits, there have been endless lawsuits against Glock as well from the 90's to present. The more popular the platform, the more likely it is some dumb dumb has an issue with one. With 5 million units out there, if there truly was an issue then we would see soldiers and police dying daily from the guns going off uncommanded, yet it doesn't happen.

Not sure why this was directed at me, my comment agrees with you that it’s NOT the insurance companies excluding these firearms from coverage or requiring ranges ban them for the policy to renew. I’m saying the RANGE has eaten up the internet hysteria and banned them for fear of an incident. ANY incident where they get sued and have to pay a judgement will result in their rates going up

 

[grandpapeepap]

Citation needed

, the NYPD has used 12-pound trigger pulls for more than 100 years but will now be issuing guns with five-pound trigger pulls. The NYPD says the data speaks for itself.

NYPD to give new recruits guns with lighter trigger pulls for improved accuracy

NYPD has used 12-pound trigger pulls for more than 100 years but will now be issuing guns with five-pound trigger pulls

www.police1.com

Or do you mean about the video i cant find? Im not sure how to link to a deleted video that was on youtube discussing it. if you can let me know ill be happy to do that