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CCW while using Waymo or Uber

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elemental

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Both Waymo and Uber have policies that restrict your ability to carry while using their service. I understand the first thing is concealed, but has anyone thought about how to handle it or has anyone had an experience with them?
 
elemental said:
Both Waymo and Uber have policies that restrict your ability to carry while using their service. I understand the first thing is concealed, but has anyone thought about how to handle it or has anyone had an experience with them?
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Nobody is ever going to know unless you literally flash the gun around. Worst case you get banned from the platform. But dude there's illegal immigrants with felonies driving around for Uber, you really think they give a f**k?
 
RustVendor said:
pretty sure Wolford v Lopez applies: publicly accessible private property cannot restrict legal carry.
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It's not that they can't restrict you, it's that they can't have a vampire rule in place.

I'm unsure how trespassing for a paid service like these ride share companies would work, but I have to assume it would amount to just an end to the service and future denial of services/being banned from future use.

More important would be I don't think an Uber will ever be an issue if it's still 3rd party drivers using their own vehicles, but I wonder if they ever get around to installing thermal scanners or such in their cars that could detect weapons. Not trying to give them ideas here and I'm sure there would be sufficient backlash from privacy rights advocates and groups, but I feel like that's more realistic for a self driving car like Waymo.
 
RustVendor said:
That's the thing though, them declining to serve is a vampire rule. It's the same as a restaurant not serving you for the same. That was the basis of the case is a CCW holder going about their normal day utilizing normal publicly accessible services
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I don't think it's the same thing. The vampire rule was about needing to have signage expressly granting permission otherwise it wasn't legal to carry.

In Waymo's case, it's in their terms of service/use. Kind of like how Costco bans weapons on premises and violation of those terms means revoking membership, being asked to leave, etc.

Wolford v Lopez was relatively narrow in scope and part of why we still have to litigate May v Bonta for resolution/relief on the sensitive places issue.
 
RustVendor said:
That's the thing though, them declining to serve is a vampire rule. It's the same as a restaurant not serving you for the same. That was the basis of the case is a CCW holder going about their normal day utilizing normal publicly accessible services
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You’re confusing the government making a default ban under punishment of law vs a private org declining to serve you. They can decline to serve anyone they want and having a weapon isn’t a protected class like that.

But obviously in real life we all know it’s not something they can really enforce anyways.
 
Gawernator said:
You’re confusing the government making a default ban under punishment of law vs a private org declining to serve you. They can decline to serve anyone they want and having a weapon isn’t a protected class like that.

But obviously in real life we all know it’s not something they can really enforce anyways.
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ok you are right, but they would have to specifically ask you to leave and there's essentially only a penalty only if you refuse to leave. There's no penalty for ignoring the sign as far as I can tell
 
What about Nike shoes, can we be denied a ride because we wear those? How about a pro2A button or t-shirt? How about a baseball cap that is sexist or race baits? We need to keep up with this stuff!
 
Here is a scenario: Driver sees or discovers you are carrying, he or she calls 911 and the local LEO are now involved, what happens now?
 
WSS01 said:
Here is a scenario: Driver sees or discovers you are carrying, he or she calls 911 and the local LEO are now involved, what happens now?
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Probably nothing because it's not illegal it's just a policy. If you get out of the car when asked there's nothing more that can happen I would think. In my CCW class they basically said the same, that they have to specifically ask you to leave
 
NorCalBusa said:
What about Nike shoes, can we be denied a ride because we wear those? How about a pro2A button or t-shirt? How about a baseball cap that is sexist or race baits? We need to keep up with this stuff!
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My understanding is if it's not one of the protected discrimination classes then yes, they can. Even if it is stupid.
 
elemental said:
Both Waymo and Uber have policies that restrict your ability to carry while using their service. I understand the first thing is concealed, but has anyone thought about how to handle it or has anyone had an experience with them?
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I ain't saying a damn thing. Stay strapped or get clapped
 
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