California man arrested and charged for possessing JHPs and standard capacity magazines

[otatop]

Man with illegal weapons in home, car arrested at Trump golf club in California

The 38-year-old man, who had been under investigation for robbery, was at the Trump National Golf Course in the Los Angeles area days before Trump’s visit, officials said.

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The department said deputies found a loaded magazine with hollow-point bullets in Taele’s pants pocket after they’d been contacted by plainclothes federal agents regarding a suspicious person at 3:28 p.m.

Taele was arrested on suspicion of carrying a concealed firearm and possession of armor-piercing or otherwise prohibited ammunition, the sheriff’s department said.

He is charged with second-degree robbery and also three other counts that deal with possessing a large-capacity magazine, having a concealed firearm in a vehicle and possession of a short-barreled rifle, records show.

He was doing some other criminal stuff but wild that Rancho Palos Verdes prohibits JHPs.

 

[Jeffro_510]

What is a JHP?

 

[lilkidx]

What is a JHP?

Jacketed hollow point?

 

[Jeffro_510]

Is that illegal?

 

[Gravel]

Man with illegal weapons in home, car arrested at Trump golf club in California

The 38-year-old man, who had been under investigation for robbery, was at the Trump National Golf Course in the Los Angeles area days before Trump’s visit, officials said.

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He was doing some other criminal stuff but wild that Rancho Palos Verdes prohibits JHPs.

How does a city ordinance like that hold up in court?

 

[lactoast]

Is that illegal?

According to the article, it's not included in the charges he's currently facing:

He is charged with second-degree robbery and also three other counts that deal with possessing a large-capacity magazine, having a concealed firearm in a vehicle and possession of a short-barreled rifle, records show.

 

[RustVendor]

There was a case out of SF that I don't feel like looking up that went through the 9th, the result was that it's ok for a city to ban sales of hollowpoints but not possession.

 

[compshell]

Jhp’s and the articles “armor piercing” bullets are completely different. What am I missing? Armored piercing is prohibited unless your Leo and jhp’s are sold at retail.

Cops don’t like civilians walking around with 9mm loads that can punch through their Kevlar/ceramic.

 

[RustVendor]

Jhp’s and the articles “armor piercing” bullets are completely different. What am I missing? Armored piercing is prohibited unless your Leo and jhp’s are sold at retail.

Cops don’t like civilians walking around with 9mm loads that can punch through their Kevlar/ceramic.

dang you actually read the article before commenting? 10 points

 

[lactoast]

Jhp’s and the articles “armor piercing” bullets are completely different. What am I missing? Armored piercing is prohibited unless your Leo and jhp’s are sold at retail.

Cops don’t like civilians walking around with 9mm loads that can punch through their Kevlar/ceramic.

It's confusing, and maybe intentionally so, because JHP and armor piercing rounds were both mentioned but didn't even make it on the list of final charges (which admittedly could change)

My guess is the JHP were in the handguns he had concealed on his person or in his car, and the armor piercing rounds were in his SBR they discovered in his home.

 

[grandpapeepap]

they might be calling green tips AP too like has happened in the past

 

[Sheepdog1968]

There was a case out of SF that I don't feel like looking up that went through the 9th, the result was that it's ok for a city to ban sales of hollowpoints but not possession.

That’s my recollection as well.

 

[RickD427]

It's confusing, and maybe intentionally so, because JHP and armor piercing rounds were both mentioned but didn't even make it on the list of final charges (which admittedly could change)

My guess is the JHP were in the handguns he had concealed on his person or in his car, and the armor piercing rounds were in his SBR they discovered in his home.

The article is confusing, which is kinda normal for media reports.

Please note that having armor piercing rounds for a rifle (including an SBR in rifle calibers) is not illegal in California.

 

[11thfinger]

There was a case out of SF that I don't feel like looking up that went through the 9th, the result was that it's ok for a city to ban sales of hollowpoints but not possession.

SF also has a separate city ban on mags that carry more than 10 rounds. There are a few exceptions but I wonder how that works with freedom week mags.

SEC. 619. PROHIBITION AGAINST POSSESSION OF LARGE CAPACITY MAGAZINES.
(c) Prohibition on Possession of Large Capacity Magazines.

(1) No person, corporation, or other entity in the City may possess a large capacity magazine, whether assembled or disassembled.

(2) Any person who, prior to the effective date of this chapter, was legally in possession of a large capacity magazine shall have 90 days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:

(A) Remove the large capacity magazine from the City;

(B) Surrender the large capacity magazine to the Police Department for destruction; or

(C) Sell or transfer the large capacity magazine lawfully in accordance with Penal Code § 12020.

 

[CadeH]

The article is confusing, which is kinda normal for media reports.

Please note that having armor piercing rounds for a rifle (including an SBR in rifle calibers) is not illegal in California.

An SBR is both a rifle and a pistol in California

12001. (a) (1) As used in this title, the terms "pistol,"
"revolver," and "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person"
shall apply to and include any device designed to be used as a
weapon, from which is expelled a projectile by the force of any
explosion, or other form of combustion, and that has a barrel less
than 16 inches in length. These terms also include any device that
has a barrel 16 inches or more in length which is designed to be
interchanged with a barrel less than 16 inches in length.

(f) Nothing shall prevent a device defined as a "handgun,"
"pistol," "revolver," or "firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person" from also being found to be a short-barreled shotgun or a
short-barreled rifle, as defined in Section 12020.

 

[RickD427]

An SBR is both a rifle and a pistol in California

12001. (a) (1) As used in this title, the terms "pistol,"
"revolver," and "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person"
shall apply to and include any device designed to be used as a
weapon, from which is expelled a projectile by the force of any
explosion, or other form of combustion, and that has a barrel less
than 16 inches in length. These terms also include any device that
has a barrel 16 inches or more in length which is designed to be
interchanged with a barrel less than 16 inches in length.

(f) Nothing shall prevent a device defined as a "handgun,"
"pistol," "revolver," or "firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person" from also being found to be a short-barreled shotgun or a
short-barreled rifle, as defined in Section 12020.

That's groovy, but not relevant to the discussion. It's also quite accurate. I once gave a deputy booking authorization where a suspect had concealed a full size AR-15 rifle (with a fixed stock and 20" barrel) under his black nylon stadium coat. The part about the barrel being interchangeable with a sub-16" barrel was key. The AR-15 barrel can be easily swapped by manipulating two push pins (even if the upper receiver goes along for the ride). There was a lot of discussion raised by other deputies who were familiar with firearms law, but the case was filed by the D.A. and a conviction obtained.

The point being discussed was the legality, and illegality, of armor piercing ammunition. Penal Code section 30315 governs the issue. It proscribes armor piercing "Handgun Ammunition" without any further regard to the type of weapon it is used in.

 

[john_marsten_1873]

“deputies found a loaded magazine with hollow-point bullets“

“Taele was arrested on suspicion of carrying a concealed firearm and possession of armor-piercing or otherwise prohibited ammunition“

“He is charged with second-degree robbery and also three other counts that deal with possessing a large-capacity magazine, having a concealed firearm in a vehicle and possession of a short-barreled rifle, records show.“

No mention of the ammo in the charges. It’s crazy how people characterize this stuff as if JHP’s are aren’t common.

I remember how some of my friends reacted when I told them I carry AT LEAST one extra mag after all that hoopla around ICE shooting the guy in Minnesota.

I even had some local PD dudes surprised about carrying about +P loads.

 

[CadeH]

That's groovy, but not relevant to the discussion. It's also quite accurate. I once gave a deputy booking authorization where a suspect had concealed a full size AR-15 rifle (with a fixed stock and 20" barrel) under his black nylon stadium coat. The part about the barrel being interchangeable with a sub-16" barrel was key. The AR-15 barrel can be easily swapped by manipulating two push pins (even if the upper receiver goes along for the ride). There was a lot of discussion raised by other deputies who were familiar with firearms law, but the case was filed by the D.A. and a conviction obtained.

The point being discussed was the legality, and illegality, of armor piercing ammunition. Penal Code section 30315 governs the issue. It proscribes armor piercing "Handgun Ammunition" without any further regard to the type of weapon it is used in.

If he only had the SBR in his apartment then they're going to consider it "armor piercing handgun ammunition" on the news until it goes to court and that charge disappears under even a modicum of scrutiny. Its a BS charge related to the schrodinger's firearm role SBRs/SBSes play in the state- realistically nobody is going to get charged for owning M855 and an AR pistol unless they're doing something extremely stupid, like casing a location the President is announced to be going to soon while you're already wanted for robbery.

PC 16660 gives us the full definition:
As used in this part, “handgun ammunition designed primarily to penetrate metal or armor” means any ammunition, except a shotgun shell or ammunition primarily designed for use in a rifle, that is designed primarily to penetrate a body vest or body shield, and has either of the following characteristics:



(a) Has projectile or projectile core constructed entirely, excluding the presence of traces of other substances, from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium, or any equivalent material of similar density or hardness.



(b) Is primarily manufactured or designed, by virtue of its shape, cross-sectional density, or any coating applied thereto, including, but not limited to, ammunition commonly known as “KTW ammunition,” to breach or penetrate a body vest or body shield when fired from a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.

SS109 was designed for 20" AR rifles, so it really doesn't apply. Its just trumped up charges to make it look scarier on the news.

 

[nakatomi]

An SBR is both a rifle and a pistol in California

Agree with CadeH and I don’t think anyone caught what he was getting at. The armor piercing ammo charge is dead. CA’s AP law only covers handgun ammo and specifically excludes ammo made for rifles. Green tip was built for AR rifles. Treating the SBR as a handgun doesn’t save it because the ammo still isn’t handgun ammo.

The article says “arrested on suspicion of” AP ammo but the DA didn’t file it so the real charges are robbery, large cap mag (which will be eventually dropped if the mags are not date stamped like Magpul) concealed gun in the car and the SBR charge (he prob made an AR pistol).

So.. if you want to take photos of Trump and scout locations ahead of time go to town. Just don't be a retard rob a bank beforehand and flag yourself as a suspect.

 

[RustVendor]

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