Behold 10MM ... With Glock gone what do you want to see coming?

[bryanwm18]

I use a JX Tactical fat guy holster on all my guns, I can CC any gun. The holster is designed to sit so low on your belt that 90% of the gun is below your belt line. It makes CC’ng any gun really easy. Down side to that is you have to train how to draw from that position.

JX Tactical and Fattac holster are both great. Recently found Tactical Justice. They also make deep concealment holsters but for a decent amount less. They do have longer lead times, but if your selected holster isn't in stock, so do JX Tactical or Fattac

 

[dilbert40]

You can comfortably CCW a Glock 20? Oh my

Appendix carry is actually not that uncomfortable. Hiking. Not sitting.

 

[Pythonfan]

Mileage may vary....I find appendix sitting is far more comfortable with a ratcheting belt like a KORE. Let the belt loose and bring the holster up so that it rides above your natural bend point.

 

[bleepboop]

Can you ask if they can also do the MP 2.0 10mm ported one?

 

[estepipes]

I like my Glocks but I think it's the to move on. If I'm going to buy a gun that has CA crap, I'm getting something newer. Like an Echelon.

im selling a echelon 4.0c if youre interested.

 

[badsushi]

JX Tactical and Fattac holster are both great. Recently found Tactical Justice. They also make deep concealment holsters but for a decent amount less. They do have longer lead times, but if your selected holster isn't in stock, so do JX Tactical or Fattac

Thanks for telling me about Fattac, they aren’t cheaper, but they had an echelon 4.0C holster and JXtactical does not,

 

[Prolitheus]

FN 510 (mine has the old frame), 1911 / 2011s.

 

[RAWHZI]

Glock gone? So no more gen 6 coming after all later in the summer?

I think june or july is the ban.

 

[bcj68]

Scott, thanks for giving us hope. I'll start saving now...

 

[hi-nrg916]

M&P 2.0 4.6”

What happened to never happening from the other day.?

The same thing that happened when he swore up and down 1 to 2 years ago that we would never see a next gen Glock on the roster .

 

[M_N04H]

Things change. Money talks.

 

[Josearreola52]

The same thing that happened when he swore up and down 1 to 2 years ago that we would never see a next gen Glock on the roster .

Gen 3s were still available to sell in CA 1-2 years ago. Now they aren’t after July. I’m sure CA makes Glock a good chunk of money on sales.

 

[lohssanami]

I wanted this until I seen it has issues with the factory mags

Sorry, this is a long post, and I don't want to hijack this thread.

However, if you're referencing the M&P 2.0 10mm, I got the 4" version back in 2022. I also picked up the 5.6" PC slide and barrel last year. I've put about 6,000 rounds, from the weakest (Federal) to the heaviest (Underwood, BB) loads with all sorts of factory ammo in between. I've recorded all of the failure to feeds, and these failure to feed problems were from several different ammo manufacturers.

Underwood SKU247
Blazer Brass FMJ
PPU FMJ
S&B FMJ
Double Tap (230 grain HC), though this could be from the larger grain bullet
Magtech FMJ

I'm a little OCD on this one, but I wanted to see what caused the FTF's everyone reported. Originally S&W was taking them back and polishing the feed ramp, but many reported it made no difference. I never sent mine to S&W and I never polished the feed ramp myself. Others recommended increased guide rod strength and magazine springs.

Along the way, I have added the following parts.

Galloway Precision 22lb and 24lb guide rod assembly
Springer Precision extra power mag springs (both version 1 and the latest version)
Apex Failure Resistant Extractor
New magazines (with the Springer Precision 140mm ext and extra power springs)

By far, the biggest difference was the Apex FRE, with only one FTF over the last 2500 rounds. I did change to the 24lb guide rod at this time too, though I tested the 22lb for a little while with the same good results. Prior to these changes, I had about 10-15 FTF's in the first 3500 rounds. Maybe that's not alot, but certainly more than I would like.

All of this info above just to get to what I found recently. In September of last year, I started getting the slide locking back when rounds were still in the magazine. It only happened on the 3 original magazines, with ~1500 rounds having gone through each one. One was worse than the other two, but the magazines with the Springer ext mags never had this issue, and I know I wasn't riding the slide lock on the original mags. I thought maybe the worn followers were causing an issue, and since AB1263 was coming, I contacted S&W to order some spare followers. I was lucky enough to get some spares before they stopped shipping to CA. When I replaced the followers on the original mags, the slide locking back problem went away completely, and it hasn't happened since in several hundred rounds. What I did notice is that the follower design has changed a little since the original magazine release. Maybe the FTF issue this whole time is the follower design?

Apologies for a going on, but I wanted to dump this info before I get too lazy to share it. It would be interesting to see if all of the recent M&P 10mm's have the new follower design or whether S&W ever shared their design change. I'm at the office, but I can add pictures of the followers later.

Oh, sorry, I never introduced myself to the forum. Tim here.

 

[lohssanami]

Sorry, this is a long post, and I don't want to hijack this thread.

However, if you're referencing the M&P 2.0 10mm, I got the 4" version back in 2022. I also picked up the 5.6" PC slide and barrel last year. I've put about 6,000 rounds, from the weakest (Federal) to the heaviest (Underwood, BB) loads with all sorts of factory ammo in between. I've recorded all of the failure to feeds, and these failure to feed problems were from several different ammo manufacturers.

Underwood SKU247
Blazer Brass FMJ
PPU FMJ
S&B FMJ
Double Tap (230 grain HC), though this could be from the larger grain bullet
Magtech FMJ

I'm a little OCD on this one, but I wanted to see what caused the FTF's everyone reported. Originally S&W was taking them back and polishing the feed ramp, but many reported it made no difference. I never sent mine to S&W and I never polished the feed ramp myself. Others recommended increased guide rod strength and magazine springs.

Along the way, I have added the following parts.

Galloway Precision 22lb and 24lb guide rod assembly
Springer Precision extra power mag springs (both version 1 and the latest version)
Apex Failure Resistant Extractor
New magazines (with the Springer Precision 140mm ext and extra power springs)

By far, the biggest difference was the Apex FRE, with only one FTF over the last 2500 rounds. I did change to the 24lb guide rod at this time too, though I tested the 22lb for a little while with the same good results. Prior to these changes, I had about 10-15 FTF's in the first 3500 rounds. Maybe that's not alot, but certainly more than I would like.

All of this info above just to get to what I found recently. In September of last year, I started getting the slide locking back when rounds were still in the magazine. It only happened on the 3 original magazines, with ~1500 rounds having gone through each one. One was worse than the other two, but the magazines with the Springer ext mags never had this issue, and I know I wasn't riding the slide lock on the original mags. I thought maybe the worn followers were causing an issue, and since AB1263 was coming, I contacted S&W to order some spare followers. I was lucky enough to get some spares before they stopped shipping to CA. When I replaced the followers on the original mags, the slide locking back problem went away completely, and it hasn't happened since in several hundred rounds. What I did notice is that the follower design has changed a little since the original magazine release. Maybe the FTF issue this whole time is the follower design?

Apologies for a going on, but I wanted to dump this info before I get too lazy to share it. It would be interesting to see if all of the recent M&P 10mm's have the new follower design or whether S&W ever shared their design change. I'm at the office, but I can add pictures of the followers later.

Oh, sorry, I never introduced myself to the forum. Tim here.

Here are the pictures of the followers. The original follower included with the M&P mags in 2022 are on the left. The followers I received in December are on the right. You can see the new followers have a slightly reduced angle up.

 

[RocketF22]

Here are the pictures of the followers. The original follower included with the M&P mags in 2022 are on the left. The followers I received in December are on the right. You can see the new followers have a slightly reduced angle up.

Do u think a follower issue could be why my walther pd380 keeps double feeding? I just replaced the guide rod with stainless steel (the only upgrade ive seen for this gun)

 

[KingRansom]

I honestly believe the 10mm is a fad that will phase out AGAIN . It's come and gone before. I really like the idea of the 10mm in a carbine rifle, but have read way too many posts about lack of reliability in a semiauto handgun. It's a great caliber for a handgun if your in the backwoods and yogi bear decides he's hungry and you're on the menu, but for day-to-day self-defense carry I'd feel much more confident with 9mm or 45 ACP.

 

[vplaza96]

I honestly believe the 10mm is a fad that will phase out AGAIN . It's come and gone before. I really like the idea of the 10mm in a carbine rifle, but have read way too many posts about lack of reliability in a semiauto handgun. It's a great caliber for a handgun if your in the backwoods and yogi bear decides he's hungry and you're on the menu, but for day-to-day self-defense carry I'd feel much more confident with 9mm or 45 ACP.

Not sure what you've read and what guns were unreliable in 10mm but I've had a 1006 since the 90's and haven't experienced any reliability issues, factory or reloads.

My M&P 2.0 10mm has been very reliable as well, though I've had that for a lot less time.

 

[lohssanami]

Not sure what you've read and what guns were unreliable in 10mm but I've had a 1006 since the 90's and haven't experienced any reliability issues, factory or reloads.

My M&P 2.0 10mm has been very reliable as well, though I've had that for a lot less time.

I have the G20, G20C, G29, XDME 3.8 and 4.5, Ronin and M&P 4". The M&P is the only one that had some issues, but it's just as reliable as the others now.

I'm looking for one of the original S&W 10x6 series, but tough to get in CA. You must enjoy shooting that one.

 

[lohssanami]

Do u think a follower issue could be why my walther pd380 keeps double feeding? I just replaced the guide rod with stainless steel (the only upgrade ive seen for this gun)

Not sure why you're getting double feeding. Might be good to make a new post asking the group. Lots of knowledgeable folks that may have experience with that Walther.

 

[RocketF22]

Not sure why you're getting double feeding. Might be good to make a new post asking the group. Lots of knowledgeable folks that may have experience with that Walther.

I did lol. Nobody answered