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Question Legal Asking for someone else (no it’s not me). How bad can it get for them?

Is it?
Re: How bad can it get? ---- 💩 sit down for this one.

First — I feel for him, and I hate being the one writing this to a fellow 2A guy. Don't hate the messenger. Here's the straight version with the good news included, because there's real good news.

The charge: Almost certainly a misdemeanor, not a felony. The main felony trigger (§ 25400(c)(6)) requires that he not be the gun's registered owner — but he is (he had to be to file the BOF 4502 amendment). That knocks out felony exposure, which means no lifetime state ban (§ 29800) and no lifetime federal ban (§ 922(g)(1)). Realistic ceiling is misdemeanor § 25400(c)(7): up to a year county, $1,000.

The permit: Gone, functionally 100%. Revocation under § 26195(b)(1) is mandatory once he breaches an IA condition (carrying an unlisted gun is the breach), and disclosing to the IA doesn't save it. Best he can do is push for a voluntary surrender instead of "revoked for cause" — same result, but cleaner paperwork for reapplying later.

Duty to inform — correcting the thread: SB 2 did not create a statewide duty to tell an officer you're carrying. That only applies if his IA wrote it into his license conditions. What SB 2 did add is a duty to notify the IA of any arrest or charge after the fact — so he should assume the IA already knows or soon will, and self-report (through his lawyer).

Can he lose the right to own guns? Yes — a misdemeanor § 25400 conviction triggers a 10-year prohibition under § 29805. This is the real threat, bigger than the permit. But it only attaches if there's a conviction.

The good news — diversion: § 25400 is eligible for PC § 1001.95 judicial diversion. If he completes it, the case is dismissed, there's no conviction, and § 29805 never triggers — his ownership rights stay intact. During the program he may have a temporary no-possession condition, and the permit's still gone, but he keeps his guns and can reapply for a permit later with a "diverted and dismissed" story instead of a conviction. That's a night-and-day better hand.

His mitigation is strong: clean record, lawful owner, amendment paperwork already filed (shows good faith), cited and released instead of booked. Those are exactly the facts that get a judge to grant diversion.

Bottom line: Best realistic case — loses the permit, keeps his guns, no conviction, reapply down the road. Worst on this track — misdemeanor, 10-year ownership prohibition, but no lifetime ban. The gap between those is entirely about getting a California firearms attorney now and aiming straight at diversion. Tell him to lawyer up this week and not say a word to the IA, DA, or investigators until he does.

He got the survivable version of a bad day. There's a real, achievable path to landing on his feet with his gun rights intact. Call a gun rights lawyer right away.
Thanks ChatGPT but DANG I didn't realize they added so many 10 year bans
 
Go Fund Me account; open your wallet, etc.

First rule of rescue (even though you want to): Sometimes, you can’t save them all. But, never become the second victim.

Be supportive, but move on. You can’t make him do anything he will not do.

Best you can do is outline pros/cons; remind him he’s dealing with professionals in this field and he’s an amateur. Give him the reference for decent attorneys (if we knew where he is, generally, we could provide references). Often first consultation is free, then he knows what he’s up against.
Yeh, this sounds about right. 🤣
 
I mean a mid 90s 8 series is pretty sweet and rare, it’s entirely possible he just described you and your car to a buddy recently and the buddy ran into you by chance, weirder synchronicities have happened.

WWI started because Franz Ferdinand’s motorcade diverted down a random city street after a failed grenade attack that made everyone scatter, the lead driver made a wrong turn and then stalled the car backing up, and Franz’ would-be assassin happened to be standing right there on that side street and ran up and shot him in the neck.

So y’know, 💩’s weird.
Feels like I've just met a fellow Dan Carlin Hardcore History fan
 
Eeeeeeh if it’s even remotely a performance car, that is an auto-pull over for many LEOs. Easy justification for a stop to ding someone on an exhaust or other illegal mod. I guess it depends where you are, a rural sheriff is not likely to care but a PD in a big city 100%

This is why I keep front plates and no front tint or obvious cosmetic mods on my cars
2024 Model 3 Performance here. Bone stock but quick AF and nearly silent. HAX!
 
My guess is he loses his CCW, but not his right to own firearms. Im not a Lawyer though, but msybe he should contact one, Don Hammond is great.
If he loses his rights to own, and has to sell in a hurry, let me know whats for sale.....
If convicted he will be banned from owning for ten years under CA law. Not federal so he’d have to leave California
 
But he can afford multiple guns? Someone hasn't got their priorities sorted out.
I think that’s a little unfair, someone can own multiple guns for protection/ccw/sport and still be hugely impacted by needing to pay for a criminal defense attorney which could end up being WAY more costly than those guns. But, I agree it sounds like the dude does not have his priorities sorted out and seems like kind of a tool based on what OP has told us
 
If you get pulled over and have a CCW Permit, do you have to give them your CCW Permit? Do you have to let them see the firearm as well? I am curious how the guy ended up getting caught.
Many IAs require you to inform LE that you are carrying. The last time I rabbit holed it, it seems to me that the language doesn’t restrict that requirement to CA LE, It just says LE
 
For those interested: Here’s the 1/1/2026 list of all prohibiting categories. There are over 60 just for 10-year bans.

There are also Lifetime, non-Lifetime, Juvenile and Miscellaneous categories.

Enjoy the read.
Too many parking tickets? Believe it or not, ten year ban.
 
if you consistently break the law, you are a scofflaw and should be locked up. also ACTUALLY being cited for parking violations means its a gross violation to have the cops actually pull over to do it or respond in a timely fashion if someone called about it
I don’t have any tickets. It was a joke from a skit. Why are you such a downer

 
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