Question Legal Asking for someone else (no it’s not me). How bad can it get for them?

[Deleted member 16735]

If pulled over for no front plate, ask the nice officer what their procedures are for Teslas*.

* DO NOT do this if you are driving a Tesla.

Any car that only came with one plate i.e. has no front attachment, is exempt​

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ARTICLE 9. Display of Plates, Tabs, and Stickers [5200 - 5206]​

( Article 9 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )

5200. ​

(a) When two license plates are issued by the department for use upon a vehicle, they shall be attached to the vehicle for which they were issued, one in the front and the other in the rear.

(b) When only one license plate is issued for use upon a vehicle, it shall be attached to the rear thereof, unless the license plate is issued for use upon a truck tractor, in which case the license plate shall be displayed in accordance with Section 4850.5.

 

[Gawernator]

If you get pulled over and have a CCW Permit, do you have to give them your CCW Permit? Do you have to let them see the firearm as well? I am curious how the guy ended up getting caught.

It depends on your IA's rules, for Sac yes. They don't have to see your gun but I guess they're allowed to take it if the cop is a little b***h for "officer safety" (CCW holders being extremely law abiding)

 

[Gawernator]

How bad can this get? Will it result in permit revocation?

Guy was pulled over with ccw permit, carrying a firearm that was not on the permit (yet). He had already filled out an application for weapons modification, he did not go into qualify with it yet, and was not issued new replacement permit with new firearm on there. He claims he was not aware of needing to re-qualify; and was completely unaware. He thought filing out the DOJ form for weapons modification was good enough.

Leo that pulled him over for the minor stop, confiscated, and wrote him a ticket. I’m guessing the officer actually checked his firearm then if it got tot the point of cross referencing with what was listed on his permit.

I told him this looks very bad on your part; and the best he can do is try to get the charge dropped.

You think he might get his permit revoked even if he discloses to his IA? I noticed in the policy it doesn’t state anything about disclosing Leo contact. But in SB2, it is stated; correct?

You think the Leo already contacted his IA?

Can this result in prohibition of owning firearms?

also, if true then your "friend" isn't very bright. It clearly needs to be on the actual permit per CA law. Not saying the law is a good one. That's like saying sorry officer I didn't know I couldn't snort coke and drive. Sorry this happened to you bro

Good news is with a good lawyer you probably won't have to do jail time

 

[Gawernator]

I think the Leo did him a solid by not taking him to jail; and just a ticket for now.

it's still a misdemeanor charge, and he was arrested legally. It's called cite and release. It's not legally different than being taken to jail and booked so stop saying "just a ticket". It's a criminal charge with possible jail time

 

[Gawernator]

Yup, I think that one guy who had his permit yanked by LAPD? LASD? when he defended his property had partial reasoning be a combination of carrying a firearm that wasn't on his permit and also being belligerent with the responding officers or something?

I don't see a way for the permit holder where they don't lose their right to carry and likely for the foreseeable future even if they moved out of the IA's jurisdiction. It pays to understand what you're agreeing to and the stipulations under which you're restricted by. Even if I disagree it should be restricted as such in the first place. We play within the rules we're dealt.

Do you have a source for that? He is lucky he wasn't charged if that's true

 

[grandpapeepap]

If pulled over for no front plate, ask the nice officer what their procedures are for Teslas*.

* DO NOT do this if you are driving a Tesla.

Im so glad my interactions with LEO are next to 0 now unless i initiate them. Used to deal with them a lot

 

[Gawernator]

I remember there was a young guy on Calguns who complained that he had his CCW revoked and hadn’t even done anything illegal or had any police interaction. He had a unique user name so I looked him up on Instagram.

The whole thing was him doing wheelies and other stunts on his motorcycle in traffic on the freeway, or doing donuts in parking lots near other cars during the day.

His issuing agency monitored social media accounts and decided he was dangerous without ever citing him in person.

I think carrying a firearm that isn’t on your permit will definitely rile up most IAs. It’s not as though they are looking for every reason to make CCW access easier and more useful.

Which dept revoked that? Shocking they have time to look for stunt riding videos on IG but not solve more serious crime lmaoooo

 

[Spork]

I've not that had experience luckily, but I have heard of those who have. I mostly drive my cars stock nowadays as constantly tuning and modding gets tiresome, expensive, and caused me reliability issues over time with tolerance stacking.

There are some legal tint percentages depending on the window, but even just ceramic tint with no light transmission change (so it visibly doesn't look much difference) is super nice for the summer heat. Drops the internal temp a good 10-15 degrees and fully protects from harmful UV rays. Worth it for just that alone, personally.

It is all about risk tolerance too, I have like 50% tint on my Type R because it feels visible enough that a cop would need to be having a terrible day to really say anything. Technically even the clear tint ( I used to run Llumar Air-80) is illegal because it technically drops the total visible light transmitted below the legal light transmission when combined with OEM UV protection built into the glass, but again the cop would have to bust out the meter and be having a real rough day to be that petty. My car is bright blue and draws enough attention as it is with the 10th gen Honda styling that I try not to bring anymore than necessary whenever possible.

Agree 100% on driving stock nowadays though, I had a Fiesta ST FBO and Tuned for corn back in my early 20's and it was fun but was always worried the exhaust would cause a state ref, and that was given I had the tamest aftermarket cat-back. Plus its a gamble anytime you want to road trip as some agencies generally don't car, while others are on the lookout for modified cars and that can differ even one county over.

 

[Gawernator]

Im so glad my interactions with LEO are next to 0 now unless i initiate them. Used to deal with them a lot

I'm reporting you to the super FBI and NSA and ONI, NGA and NOAA

 

[Gawernator]

It is all about risk tolerance too, I have like 50% tint on my Type R because it feels visible enough that a cop would need to be having a terrible day to really say anything. Technically even the clear tint ( I used to run Llumar Air-80) is illegal because it technically drops the total visible light transmitted below the legal light transmission when combined with OEM UV protection built into the glass, but again the cop would have to bust out the meter and be having a real rough day to be that petty. My car is bright blue and draws enough attention as it is with the 10th gen Honda styling that I try not to bring anymore than necessary whenever possible.

Agree 100% on driving stock nowadays though, I had a Fiesta ST FBO and Tuned for corn back in my early 20's and it was fun but was always worried the exhaust would cause a state ref, and that was given I had the tamest aftermarket cat-back. Plus its a gamble anytime you want to road trip as some agencies generally don't car, while others are on the lookout for modified cars and that can differ even one county over.

cops don't really seem to write window tint tickets anymore post COVID defund police movement, I have 5% rears and 15% fronts on all my cars since 2017 and never get pulled over

 

[grandpapeepap]

I'm reporting you to the super FBI and NSA and ONI, NGA and NOAA

 

[grandpapeepap]

Any car that only came with one plate i.e. has no front attachment, is exempt​

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ARTICLE 9. Display of Plates, Tabs, and Stickers [5200 - 5206]​

( Article 9 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )

5200. ​

(a) When two license plates are issued by the department for use upon a vehicle, they shall be attached to the vehicle for which they were issued, one in the front and the other in the rear.

(b) When only one license plate is issued for use upon a vehicle, it shall be attached to the rear thereof, unless the license plate is issued for use upon a truck tractor, in which case the license plate shall be displayed in accordance with Section 4850.5.

oh hey i even mentioned in my post, "unless you get issued one plate". i was thinking of motorcycles tho

 

[Gawernator]

Please do not use the Lord's name in vain

 

[grandpapeepap]

Please do not use the Lord's name in vain

apologies

 

[Gawernator]

Your plates are not linked to your CCW, and running the plates of a rental or borrowed vehicle will give them nothing.

If they run your ID solely for DMV, it won’t flag CCW.

However, if they hit the C.L.E.T.S (California Law Enforcement Telecommunications System), and query your RAP (Record of Arrests and Prosecutions) Sheet for “wants and warrants”, etc., it will reflect your CCW.

Why do you have a RAP Sheet? Every CCW issued in CA bears a “CII Number”. That is the “Criminal Information Index” file which contains records of anyone fingerprinted in CA (criminals) plus individuals under restraining orders and persons fingerprinted for special purposes (school duty) and CCW.

Please see: The OAG’s page: fingerprint background checks and limit your focus to paragraphs 2 and 3 or your eyes will bleed.

Best.

I'm surprised Sac county barely cared about my previous gun charges, obviously I fully disclosed every detail but they barely brought it up in the interview. Just confirmed what I said and confirmed the dispositions. It was very casual

 

[Gawernator]

Yes, SAc county requires to notify them anytime you have interaction with LEO, especially if they ask for your DL. And yes, they require you to notify the LEO if you are carrying or not. I have had two LEO interactions, once when carrying and let them know carrying, what gun and where it was. The other time was not carrying, but on break from hunting. No issues with the police that pulled me over or Sac County Sheriff. They emailed me back stating thank you for contacting us and no further contact needed. Been carrying for 15 years now.

When I had to use my CCW and told them what happened, Sac county sheriff asked for the police report, and after I sent it they never even replied I think. lmao

 

[Hindsight]

Do you have a source for that? He is lucky he wasn't charged if that's true

Vince Ricci: Philanthropist who shot at armed would-be robbers gets conceal carry permit revoked

A nonprofit founder known for holding massive toy drives in Los Angeles claims his carry concealed weapon (CCW) permit got taken away after getting in a shootout with would-be robbers at his own home.

www.foxla.com

I never followed up on what ended up happening eventually as it's a relatively older case. It was all over the news for a brief bit of the news cycle and reddit and then kind of fizzled out.

 

[Gawernator]

Vince Ricci: Philanthropist who shot at armed would-be robbers gets conceal carry permit revoked

A nonprofit founder known for holding massive toy drives in Los Angeles claims his carry concealed weapon (CCW) permit got taken away after getting in a shootout with would-be robbers at his own home.

www.foxla.com

I never followed up on what ended up happening eventually as it's a relatively older case. It was all over the news for a brief bit of the news cycle and reddit and then kind of fizzled out.

Doesn't say why revoked... and their message seems like "oh this is a well connected sympathetic guy that went viral defending himself at his house so now we look bad"

"We recognize that this incident was extremely traumatic and startling for the Ricci family and we hope the individuals responsible for this crime are arrested and held accountable.


The Department of Justice (DOJ) establishes guidelines for CCW permits and the Sheriff’s Department must follow the DOJ parameters in accordance with the law.


The CCW permit may be immediately reinstated as long as the permit holder has also followed all required CCW policies (i.e. proper notifications, use of properly documented weapon, etc.).


The DOJ has been notified and there are avenues for Mr. Ricci to re-apply for his permit. We have been in contact with the Ricci family and have been providing information to them about CCW protocols and guidelines in an effort to ensure their Second Amendment rights are protected.


The Sheriff's Department respects the rights of individuals to exercise their Second Amendment rights and continually processes over thousands of CCW permit applications and renewals every year. The Sheriff’s Department CCW Unit works diligently to track, process, and manage individuals who possess or seek CCW permits in Los Angeles County."

 

[Hindsight]

Doesn't say why revoked... and their message seems like "oh this is a well connected sympathetic guy that went viral defending himself at his house so now we look bad"

"We recognize that this incident was extremely traumatic and startling for the Ricci family and we hope the individuals responsible for this crime are arrested and held accountable.


The Department of Justice (DOJ) establishes guidelines for CCW permits and the Sheriff’s Department must follow the DOJ parameters in accordance with the law.


The CCW permit may be immediately reinstated as long as the permit holder has also followed all required CCW policies (i.e. proper notifications, use of properly documented weapon, etc.).


The DOJ has been notified and there are avenues for Mr. Ricci to re-apply for his permit. We have been in contact with the Ricci family and have been providing information to them about CCW protocols and guidelines in an effort to ensure their Second Amendment rights are protected.


The Sheriff's Department respects the rights of individuals to exercise their Second Amendment rights and continually processes over thousands of CCW permit applications and renewals every year. The Sheriff’s Department CCW Unit works diligently to track, process, and manage individuals who possess or seek CCW permits in Los Angeles County."

Yah, supposedly there was some conflicting information as to whether or not the firearm used was listed on his permit or not at the time as well as whether that even mattered if the incident took place on his private property/while at home.

Never dug much deeper into it though.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Bro OP is the “friend” and he knows he F-ed up, and is desperately seeking advice.

Certainly CCW will be revoked for carrying an unlisted firearm. Hopefully not much worse legal trouble. You should notify your IA as it will just be worse if they find out on their own on a renewal.

No it’s not me. It’s a newer co worker I just met. Surprised you were quick to assume/accuse it was me.