Are micro 9's a trend?

[Sheepdog1968]

Sure, there are indeed trends in the firearms industry. I”ve seen them cycle through at least twice over. I find it kind of amusing to see all the hype of rifles, shotguns, pistol caliber carbines, etc. It’s all to help sales. When you reach a point that you have them, you will see there is really little else that is new that comes along. There were small pistols before the P365. However, it was a game changer. 10 rounds in a small package with 9 mm that worked reliably (don’t want to yammer about early ones possibly having since issues). True pocket carry size (nothing else in pocket and pistol in a pocket holster). It was a huge success resulting in other brands comming out in a similar size. Much bigger impact than the Glock 26. So, no, I don’t think it is a trend. Small easy to carry pistols are a good thing and someone will always want one small and handy. 8+ years since it came out, they have evolved the product line to include medium and large size versions. Not an unreasonable approach. The Sig P250 (hammer fired pistol with a removeable FCU) was Sigs first entry into this type of pistol and they made small, medium, large frames for it. So, no, I don’t think this is a trend but part of a natural life cycle for a sucessful pistol. My two cents.

 

[Sheepdog1968]

Is CCW even that popular? It seems like for California it’s less than 1% of the adult population

Maybe it’s just my use case. I don’t really feel any more comfortable with the shield than with my P2000SK except for the weight. I feel like grip length prints a lot more than thickness so I don’t really think they truly conceal that much better. I haven’t had any real life differences doing back to back tests carrying one for a couple weeks then the other. So I have been carrying the PDP compact the most

CA still early in the adoption phase so give it time. Outside of CA bigger numbers carry. I like my P365 and practice with it. The 10 round mag with the pinky extension fits my hand well. Have other more substantial pistols on my CCW as well.

 

[mbuss101]

With the P365 we see that the larger models, with a little larger grip and barrel have become more popular it seems than the tiny base P365 for various reasons. I've had a Shield for a long time but after being in some tough situations for my work I literally never reach for it anymore and it just sits. It shoots fine, light and easy to carry.

But that's the thing, my P2000SK and PDP Compact are also both easy to carry, and the P2000SK especially with no optic still feels light and is easy for me to conceal. The PDP Compact is my main daily carry and is a little bigger but with a good belt still no issues and doesn't feel heavy or annoying, even when working in the field 8-14 hours a day and driving a lot.

I find myself reaching for the slightly bigger guns with more capacity and shoot-ability it feels like. It's weird because I was so hyped about the modern micro 9's, but after I shot the P365 I was not a huge fan. It was definitely harder for me to shoot that well, as soon as I picked up my PDP Compact or especially my P226 I became a laser beam again. I haven't been able to shoot the higher trim P365's that are larger with a better trigger (I think?).

I'm guessing a lot of CCW'ers here are carrying the very small guns like the P365 or BG 2.0, but is anyone else always carrying double stack or compact handguns, or am I just crazy now

I carried a Glock 19 every day until I got my C3.6 which is essentially the same size maybe slightly bigger. I’ve jokingly said in other posts people who carry micro and sub compact guns must not train with them because they’re horrible to put more than a few mags through and get solid reps in with

 

[decius_mus]

I’ve jokingly said in other posts people who carry micro and sub compact guns must not train with them because they’re horrible to put more than a few mags through and get solid reps in with

I would argue that a ton of training with small carry guns really isn't that necessary. The whole idea behind them is that they solve the "my carry gun is too cumbersome to regularly carry" problem. In other words they are the type of gun that you would have on you when you otherwise wouldn't carry a gun.

An intermediate shooter should be able to get hits within a silhouette at CCW distances with a micro (especially if it has a red dot) with only shooting a few mags per month. I personally only shoot about 50-100 rounds through my micro on a monthly basis and it's primarily to confirm reliability and ensure that I'm used to the recoil impulse at a fast cadence.

Funnily enough, I would even argue that the guy at the in n out shooting would have been more effective if he had a micro like a Shield X with a red dot and not a five seven with a suppressor that covered the sight picture on his iron sights lol.

 

[rodralig]

I carried a Glock 19 every day until I got my C3.6 which is essentially the same size maybe slightly bigger. I’ve jokingly said in other posts people who carry micro and sub compact guns must not train with them because they’re horrible to put more than a few mags through and get solid reps in with

That’s the beauty of the double-stack Glocks. I mostly train with the full-size 17, but carry either the 19 or 26. Even with backups, I rarely shoot my actual EDC guns outside of semiannual maintenance runs, zero confirmations, JHP rotation, etc. Despite that, I don’t notice any significant degradation when I do shoot them.

For USPSA, I normally run the 17. But for this match I figured, hell with it - let’s shoot the 26 out of the blue.

https://imgur.com/a/6SoLxiY

 

[RustVendor]

I would argue that a ton of training with small carry guns really isn't that necessary. The whole idea behind them is that they solve the "my carry gun is too cumbersome to regularly carry" problem. In other words they are the type of gun that you would have on you when you otherwise wouldn't carry a gun.

An intermediate shooter should be able to get hits within a silhouette at CCW distances with a micro (especially if it has a red dot) with only shooting a few mags per month. I personally only shoot about 50-100 rounds through my micro on a monthly basis and it's primarily to confirm reliability and ensure that I'm used to the recoil impulse at a fast cadence.

Funnily enough, I would even argue that the guy at the in n out shooting would have been more effective if he had a micro like a Shield X with a red dot and not a five seven with a suppressor that covered the sight picture on his iron sights lol.

yeah for people who shoot frequently, you don't just "forget". I would say you also don't want to put a ton of rounds on your carry gun either. Even Glocks don't last forever.

 

[loganhunter0815]

I carry a p226 zev or g48 mos, both owb.

 

[Gawernator]

Picking up the VP9A1 K on Friday.. just a little thinner and shorter plus I’ll put a smaller optic on it.. that might be the Goldilocks zone for when you think the PDP with a big optic is just a bit much. Need to find a holster now. Optic and plate ready to go before I even bought the handgun lol

 

[Sheepdog1968]

I carried a Glock 19 every day until I got my C3.6 which is essentially the same size maybe slightly bigger. I’ve jokingly said in other posts people who carry micro and sub compact guns must not train with them because they’re horrible to put more than a few mags through and get solid reps in with

I expected my P365 to be unpleasant to shoot. I was shocked at how mild it felt to me. Not that much different than a G19. I know, it sounds crazy. So much so that quite a few times I’ve gone to the range and shot the two back to back. Recoil is subjective but if you haven’t shot the small size P365, I’d say try it. Now, I don’t enjoy shooting a Glock 27 in .40 cal. It’s snappier than I’d like so it’s not like all pistols are ok to me. Another recoil example, I have a P229 that I can shoot in both .40 and .357 Sig by just swapping out the barrel. I dislike it in .40 but the .357 Sig in the P229 only feels like maybe 10% recoil than my P229 in 9 mm (and I’ve shot them back to back as well).

 

[Sheepdog1968]

yeah for people who shoot frequently, you don't just "forget". I would say you also don't want to put a ton of rounds on your carry gun either. Even Glocks don't last forever.

In the early 2010s I started purchasing training pistols that matched my go to self defense pistols just for that reason. I’m not convinced you can realistically wear out a pistol. However, what I really like about a training weapon that matched your CCW was that you could push your training weapon further in terms of dirtiness, etc. I didn’t invent this; learned it from a firearms instructor.

 

[Sheepdog1968]

With the P365 we see that the larger models, with a little larger grip and barrel have become more popular it seems than the tiny base P365 for various reasons. I've had a Shield for a long time but after being in some tough situations for my work I literally never reach for it anymore and it just sits. It shoots fine, light and easy to carry.

But that's the thing, my P2000SK and PDP Compact are also both easy to carry, and the P2000SK especially with no optic still feels light and is easy for me to conceal. The PDP Compact is my main daily carry and is a little bigger but with a good belt still no issues and doesn't feel heavy or annoying, even when working in the field 8-14 hours a day and driving a lot.

I find myself reaching for the slightly bigger guns with more capacity and shoot-ability it feels like. It's weird because I was so hyped about the modern micro 9's, but after I shot the P365 I was not a huge fan. It was definitely harder for me to shoot that well, as soon as I picked up my PDP Compact or especially my P226 I became a laser beam again. I haven't been able to shoot the higher trim P365's that are larger with a better trigger (I think?).

I'm guessing a lot of CCW'ers here are carrying the very small guns like the P365 or BG 2.0, but is anyone else always carrying double stack or compact handguns, or am I just crazy now

I’ve had some guns that just didn’t seem work for me, or, they would take too much effort to build up proficiency. I shot Sigs (DA/SA type) and Glocks pretty good so I stopped trying other firearm brands just to keep myself from going crazy. The P365 series was small I am still surprised at how much I look it and shoot it. I have a Macro one in DROS right now.

 

[Hamburger Monster]

I expected my P365 to be unpleasant to shoot. I was shocked at how mild it felt to me. Not that much different than a G19. I know, it sounds crazy. So much so that quite a few times I’ve gone to the range and shot the two back to back. Recoil is subjective but if you haven’t shot the small size P365, I’d say try it. Now, I don’t enjoy shooting a Glock 27 in .40 cal. It’s snappier than I’d like so it’s not like all pistols are ok to me. Another recoil example, I have a P229 that I can shoot in both .40 and .357 Sig by just swapping out the barrel. I dislike it in .40 but the .357 Sig in the P229 only feels like maybe 10% recoil than my P229 in 9 mm (and I’ve shot them back to back as well).

I have the P365. And I too don't find it at all snappy or hard to shoot. The opposite in fact.

 

[chiroken007]

I have the P365. And I too don't find it at all snappy or hard to shoot. The opposite in fact.

I think it all boils down to what you compare it to. Shoot a stock p365 and a stock shield plus and the difference with shock you. But in general the p365 is an incredible gun that shoots very well

 

[Hamburger Monster]

I think it all boils down to what you compare it to. Shoot a stock p365 and a stock shield plus and the difference with shock you. But in general the p365 is an incredible gun that shoots very well

I'm comparing it to my shield 1.0, G19 and full sized M&P metal. My shield is definitely the most snappy. The P365 is close to my G19

 

[drinktothat421]

A xmacro comp is still smaller then a g19 or other compacts. It service's a purpose. In its micro size or others like the base shield are solid shooters and carry amazing. The best size gun is the one you carry ALL the time. It you find your self not taking your hd 3.6 or g19 because "youll be right back" but that micro is always on you. Thats a better option

 

[RustVendor]

A xmacro comp is still smaller then a g19 or other compacts. It service's a purpose. Its its micro size or others like the base shield are soild shooters and carry amazing the best size gun is the one you carry ALL the time. It you find your self not taking your hd 3.6 or g19 because "youll be right back" but that micro is always on you. Thats a better option

it's not really smaller, the grip is longer which matters more than the barrel length because that's the part that prints. . Its only .1 inches narrower than a glock 19. These dimensional changes don't make a practical difference.

 

[RustVendor]

In the early 2010s I started purchasing training pistols that matched my go to self defense pistols just for that reason. I’m not convinced you can realistically wear out a pistol. However, what I really like about a training weapon that matched your CCW was that you could push your training weapon further in terms of dirtiness, etc. I didn’t invent this; learned it from a firearms instructor.

yeah you won't wear out the barrel or the basic mechanism on a modern pistol but the springs, the optics, the mounts, the whatever other accessories. Like I'm not even a serious competition shooter I do a couple a month and going by my stash of primers I've shot about 12k rounds of 9mm over the past year which is actually low for most competition shooters. If you only have one gun and you are shooting 1k rounds a month you can definitely influence reliability within a couple years even on a glock. To your point, if you are shooting frequently and you really want to compete with your carry gun it definitely makes sense to get a duplicate. I still don't think you even need to train with that level of specificity though, you aren't doing things in a fundamentally different way when you shoot a different gun. Even on my 2011 I still pay attention to grip pressures and to how I press the trigger.

 

[Hamburger Monster]

The regular or smallest version of the P365 is about 1.5" shorter slide length and about 1" shorter on the grip. That for me makes all the difference in the ability to carry it

 

[Sheepdog1968]

The regular or smallest version of the P365 is about 1.5" shorter slide length and about 1" shorter on the grip. That for me makes all the difference in the ability to carry it

There is enough different in hand sizes where some folks it fits and for some it won’t. I had a friend who was a firearms instructor (now since deceased). He taught for over 35 years. He recalled in one class a student he know well. Folks were in the low ready and he asked this one student why he didn’t have a pistol in his hand. The student did; it was a Glock 17. The student’s hands were so big the instructor (who wasn’t new to looking down the line) couldn’t see the Glock 17 in his hands.

 

[HiMapo]

Whether it’s trendy or not to get a micro, micro9s have a niche to fill and do a good job at it.

If carrying full size doesn’t make sense to you, and comfort is a priority micro9 is a good choice . They’ve improved so much over the years that they out compete a snub 38/357 in many use cases.

I still think snubbies still have their use case depending on your priorities, same with small 380s and 22lr, But 9mm is well balanced and cheap. It the current standard making it more attractive than a pocket 380.

The trend of micro9s is imo, steady improvement that bridges 9mm with size and weight options of snub revolvers and smaller calibers with less compromises.

There are many days where I’d rather carry nothing over a full size or compact(G19 size)