Ar-15 pistol

[craigalan]

I bought an ar-15 pistol a few years ago in California and I was wondering if it was legal to sell? Unfortunate they didn't give me paperwork they said it was online in a PDF. And I can just download it. I legally own it and did a dros at the store where I purchased it but they went out of business so I don't have paperwork for it.

It has maglock so it was legal to purchase and the company actually smithed it themselves. It's gunfighter tactical LLC. San Diego California. Would this gun be worth much knowing it doesn't have a big name behind it? Can I even legally sell it?

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Why wouldn’t it be legal to sell?

Yes. It is legal to re-sell it. I’m guessing you acquired this through Single shot. I have heard of them before; they were manufacturing the bandit single shot AR-9. If it’s been converted already to semi auto, it’s a plus to buyer when doing the ppt because on their paperwork it’ll say semi-auto instead of bolt action or single shot. However, if it’s been kept as a single shot, then you would just be drosing as a single shot pistol. Think of the Franklin armory ca7 where someone threw an semi auto upper on it and is ppt drosing it as semi auto.

I know some shops will require an original dros for AR-pistol platforms even if it’s a stripped receiver to confirm it is a pistol not rifle. It was like that whenever I have bought stripped semi auto pistol recievers via ppt. However your lower already says “pistol”; so a dros isn’t necessarily needed unless a shop is trying to nit pick or paranoid. Some shops will nit pick and say if it was originally dros as single shot, it needs to be ppt as single shot; even if it is currently semi auto. However, it’s actually supposed to be dros in the current configuration it is in. So, good idea to find a shop that isn’t so nit picky or paranoid when drosing non-traditional pistols.

 

[craigalan]

Thank you for the response I've been ignorant to the new laws these past few years and just wanted to confirm that it was still legal to sell. I dont want to have some person come to buy it and we both get told no at a gun shop. I appreciate your response and the explanation you gave me.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Thank you for the response I've been ignorant to the new laws these past few years and just wanted to confirm that it was still legal to sell. I dont want to have some person come to buy it and we both get told no at a gun shop. I appreciate your response and the explanation you gave me.

well, it is the buyers responsibility to call the shop ahead of time before even stepping into the shop to make sure they are open to ppt of AR-pistols and their policy on ppt process of AR-pistols. Saves you a headache.

Most will ask the seller to bring the original dros; however in this scenario, if the seller does not have a copy, what If the receiver explicitly states pistol?

Some will say AR-pistols receivers only (separate the upper and lower to dros the lower as pistol receiver) because they are not comfortable with a fully assembled functioning semi auto AR-pistol even if it’s fixed mag. Some might say fully assembled and functioning, dros as whole handgun is fine, but take off the sba 3 pistol brace for the duration of the ppt. Some might flat out say they don’t want to deal with AR pistols even if it’s only dros as a receiver; simply because they are paranoid or don’t want those kinds of handguns on their books especially if they are only making $10 off that ppt.

If it’s semi auto, just make sure it’s fixed mag if dros as an assembled semi auto handgun; which I see you have the juggernaut system based on your pictures.

But in a scenario where it’s an exotic pistol where it can’t be made compliant without damaging the value of the handgun (I.e. stribog 9mm pistol); so, no fixed mag system but is semi auto then you would need to dros as a semi auto receiver. Seller hands the parts to buyer to hold on to, while buyer waits ten days to pick up the receiver.

If it’s still single shot then it doesn’t need fixed mag at all since it’s not a semi auto.


Good link to check out about cali AW laws.

Assault Weapon Characteristics

Effective January 1, 2000, Senate Bill 23, Statutes of 1999, established new criteria for defining assault weapons based on generic characteristics. This bill allowed and required persons who owned/possessed firearms that fall under the new "assault weapon" definition to register those firearms...

oag.ca.gov

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1. A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
   1. A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
   2. A second handgrip.
   3. A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer's hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
   4. The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
2. A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.”

 

[westsidearms]

I would take the brace off during the PPT. There is no definition of buttstock in California and the brace looks like a buttstock. Remove the most common issue an FFL might have.