Any news on losing our RTB with a felony DUI?

[weaverftw]

I actually acquired a Remington Model 11 based on a TRO. Buddy followed his gf to find out she was cheating, and she told the court that him having the gun made her feel unsafe. No conviction or anything, just a TRO, I told him I'd sell it back once he was clear. He ended up telling me to keep it

That’s crazy, just following to see if she was cheating once? Are you sure buddy didn’t follow her a bunch of times or confront them with any aggressive or violent words exchanged or something else? Still scary without any conviction but some questionable texts or something might make it more reasonable (even if it’s something she lied to the judge about)… otherwise yikes.

 

[Wolkenflieger]

That's interesting logic, not sure how one calculates that conclusion.

It's terrible, dishonest logic, wrong on its face.

Using this logic, every person (children included) suspecting or accusing others of a crime is guilty by way of accusation? This "logic" is straight up medieval, akin to the comical method by which medieval peasants "assessed" the veracity of "she's a witch" claims.

Regarding medieval witch-accusations; the result is death either way. If the accused "witch" floats when tossed into a lake, she's a witch and must be burned. If she drowns, she's not a witch but still dead.

A minority of people seeking attention and/or attempting to avoid culpability do lie about their accusations, but this is definitely a minority and can be assessed with critical thinking and evidence. We don't need to believe stories when we have all kinds of evidence, cameras, DNA, witnesses, and strong interrogation to root out lies and contradictions.

The Enlightenment was aptly named and sorely-needed.

 

[Wolkenflieger]

That’s crazy, just following to see if she was cheating once? Are you sure buddy didn’t follow her a bunch of times or confront them with any aggressive or violent words exchanged or something else? Still scary without any conviction but some questionable texts or something might make it more reasonable (even if it’s something she lied to the judge about)… otherwise yikes.

Words are not "violent". If they are, it justifies (for the anti-free-speech crowd) using violence against mere speech.

We don't want to end up like England, where people can be jailed because some minder decided that certain speech was "offensive" to some person or group. Calling any speech "violent" is a dangerous precedent, and it may not even be "offensive" or false.

It's like Reddit came and found me here...

 

[GoldensRule]

That’s crazy, just following to see if she was cheating once? Are you sure buddy didn’t follow her a bunch of times or confront them with any aggressive or violent words exchanged or something else? Still scary without any conviction but some questionable texts or something might make it more reasonable (even if it’s something she lied to the judge about)… otherwise yikes.

If you are a single man in western society you need to be as chaste as Caesar's wife (old saying). If you think she is cheating on you, she probably is. If you have to know for sure, first ask yourself if you are being pathologically jealous and or paranoid, if not, then hire a P.I. to investigate, they can do it without being penalized as long as they follow the law.

"Stalking" a woman while carrying a gun can possibly and easily lead to you losing your right to own firearms and a whole lot of other consequences. If someone is pursuing a restraining order against you, ALWAYS hire a competent lawyer to fight it tooth and nail!

 

[treelogger]

... Buddy followed his gf to find out she was cheating, and she told the court that him having the gun made her feel unsafe.

Following someone who clearly means no harm while carrying a shotgun is definitely not behavior that should be condoned. Whether it rises to the level of being temporarily or permanently restrained is an open question; in my mind the answer depends on the details of the situation.

 

[NaboombuLagoon]

I don’t read that as him carrying the shotgun while following her. I read it has him getting caught following her and her telling the cops that him owning the shotgun makes her uncomfortable.

 

[Wolkenflieger]

I don’t read that as him carrying the shotgun while following her. I read it has him getting caught following her and her telling the cops that him owning the shotgun makes her uncomfortable.

We don't agree on much but this is how I read it too. She was simply uncomfortable with him having a gun—not that her irrational fear should carry any weight with the law.

 

[ef9boy88]

Following someone who clearly means no harm while carrying a shotgun is definitely not behavior that should be condoned. Whether it rises to the level of being temporarily or permanently restrained is an open question; in my mind the answer depends on the details of the situation.

So he followed her unarmed. Didn't confront her at the moment. Her fear was related to him OWNING the gun, not carrying an Anti-aircraft shotgun through Rancho Cucamonga. The military must have used this damn thing to train bomber pilots to dodge AAA.

 

[ef9boy88]

That’s crazy, just following to see if she was cheating once? Are you sure buddy didn’t follow her a bunch of times or confront them with any aggressive or violent words exchanged or something else? Still scary without any conviction but some questionable texts or something might make it more reasonable (even if it’s something she lied to the judge about)… otherwise yikes.

My understanding is that he told her over the phone when she called to tell him she was on her way to see him. Where he really blew it was he didn't get an attorney.

 

[unfortunate]

I was a victim of felony DUI / felony hit and run, followed by felony perjury.

Sadly, when CHP did a lineup they used driver license photos, rather than anything remotely recent. I don't know quite how old it was, but I went more than 15 years on my first DL photo, and any lineup is a bunch of people who look similar... when my lawyer did a lineup with recent photos, the witness easily identified him.

Multiple broken bones and a serious Traumatic Brain Injury, which can't really ever go away. More than a decade later, I still can't sleep on my right side.

I really wish he'd been convicted. The insurance payout was a joke given what happened to me.

 

[Wolkenflieger]

I was a victim of felony DUI / felony hit and run, followed by felony perjury.

Sadly, when CHP did a lineup they used driver license photos, rather than anything remotely recent. I don't know quite how old it was, but I went more than 15 years on my first DL photo, and any lineup is a bunch of people who look similar... when my lawyer did a lineup with recent photos, the witness easily identified him.

Multiple broken bones and a serious Traumatic Brain Injury, which can't really ever go away. More than a decade later, I still can't sleep on my right side.

I really wish he'd been convicted. The insurance payout was a joke given what happened to me.

Man, that's awful. I wish you the best.

 

[CaptainLevi]

I was a victim of felony DUI / felony hit and run, followed by felony perjury.

Sadly, when CHP did a lineup they used driver license photos, rather than anything remotely recent. I don't know quite how old it was, but I went more than 15 years on my first DL photo, and any lineup is a bunch of people who look similar... when my lawyer did a lineup with recent photos, the witness easily identified him.

Multiple broken bones and a serious Traumatic Brain Injury, which can't really ever go away. More than a decade later, I still can't sleep on my right side.

I really wish he'd been convicted. The insurance payout was a joke given what happened to me.

Im sorry that happened man. How much insurance did they pay for you after the medical bills?

 

[weaverftw]

Words are not "violent". If they are, it justifies (for the anti-free speech crowd) using violence against mere speech.

We don't want to end up like England, where people can be jailed because some minder decided that certain speech was "offensive" to some person or group. Calling any speech "violent" is a dangerous precedent, and it may not even be "offensive" or false.

It's like Reddit came and found me here...

I agree with everything you said and I did not mean to imply that words=violence; I just meant that if the guy yelled at her “I’m going to f-ing shoot you b$&@#” that’s probably grounds for a restraining order. If he just followed his gf to see if she was cheating, found her at another dudes house and said “f you we’re done, you can pay for nursing school yourself” and left, then it’s scary that she could get a restraining order or impact his gun rights because she was “afraid” he owned a gun that wasn’t even involved in any incident

 

[ef9boy88]

I agree with everything you said and I did not mean to imply that words=violence; I just meant that if the guy yelled at her “I’m going to f-ing shoot you b$&@#” that’s probably grounds for a restraining order. If he just followed his gf to see if she was cheating, found her at another dudes house and said “f you we’re done, you can pay for nursing school yourself” and left, then it’s scary that she could get a restraining order or impact his gun rights because she was “afraid” he owned a gun that wasn’t even involved in any incident

JFC do we have the same friend or are they always in nursing school?

 

[weaverftw]

JFC do we have the same friend or are they always in nursing school?

They’re in nursing school and they go to Arizona State

 

[Wolkenflieger]

I agree with everything you said and I did not mean to imply that words=violence; I just meant that if the guy yelled at her “I’m going to f-ing shoot you b$&@#” that’s probably grounds for a restraining order. If he just followed his gf to see if she was cheating, found her at another dudes house and said “f you we’re done, you can pay for nursing school yourself” and left, then it’s scary that she could get a restraining order or impact his gun rights because she was “afraid” he owned a gun that wasn’t even involved in any incident

Yes, actual threats of physicial violence are sometimes actionable. Words themselves are not violence, but we can enjoy the silence.

It's the speech we dislike that needs First Amendment protection.

Sadly, England has given way to the most deranged ideologies, and now hurting the feelings of the most sensitive person online can result in fines and/or jail.

Ironically, the dystopian and prophetic book, "1984" was written by an Englishman, George Orwell.

 

[weaverftw]

Yes, actual threats of physicial violence are sometimes actionable. Words themselves are not violence, but we can enjoy the silence.

It's the speech we dislike that needs First Amendment protection.

Sadly, England has given way to the most deranged ideologies, and now hurting the feelings of the most sensitive person online can result in fines and/or jail.

Ironically, the dystopian and prophetic book, "1984" was written by an Englishman, George Orwell.

Yes I have seen some truly scary videos from the UK of cops interrogating or arresting/charging people for the most benign opinions being pasted online (opinions I think are based in truth/objective facts). Unfortunately, they don’t have a first amendment like most euro countries. We’re pretty unique in that in the world and we should do everything we can to preserve it.

Also, I personally find Brave New World to be scarier and more prophetic than 1984. I’m more worried about subtle methods of mass control, dumbing down and medicating the population into subservience (both medical and through things like social media), breeding complacency through a wide variety of panem et circenses, etc rather than outright in-the-open authoritarianism.

 

[Wolkenflieger]

Yes I have seen some truly scary videos from the UK of cops interrogating or arresting/charging people for the most benign opinions being pasted online (opinions I think are based in truth/objective facts). Unfortunately, they don’t have a first amendment like most euro countries. We’re pretty unique in that in the world and we should do everything we can to preserve it.

Also, I personally find Brave New World to be scarier and more prophetic than 1984. I’m more worried about subtle methods of mass control, dumbing down and medicating the population into subservience (both medical and through things like social media), breeding complacency through a wide variety of panem et circenses, etc rather than outright in-the-open authoritarianism.

One of the ways this happens is by controlling language, which is a way to control thought. I hope England finds its way.

 

[weaverftw]

One of the ways this happens is by controlling language, which is a way to control thought. I hope England finds its way.

Agree, and some of Orwell’s best work was on this topic. The concept of doublespeak in 1984 and his famous essay “Politics and the English Language” are extremely important historical contributions to political tonight. The dominoes sure do seem to be falling though…

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Yes, but an expungement does not restore firearm's rights.

Is this only for felony dui or any felony? I remember hearing about some talk about people being able to get their firearms rights back through expungement.