Open AB-1263 - Online sale ban - I changed the title because it was too clickbaity.

[M_N04H]

Wager Machine Works updated their CA shipping policy in response to AB1263: https://wagermachineworks.com/california-orders-new-procedures-dec-2025/

If you’re sending a pistol slide out of state to get milled or serviced (ie: sending to manufacturer or gunsmith for work), will the new AB1263 requirements still apply if you’re not buying parts?

That's new. The page does say service, so I'm assuming any milling is included in the new policy. Bah, I shouldn't have waited so long. I prefer to use my PO Box for packages.

 

[star.3d]

On top of that, I would have to pay the CA 11% penalty.

You should not have to pay the 11% FET on barrels or any other part - it's only firearms, precursor parts, and ammunition. $70 transfer (10%) fee sounds about right. I mean... there was a shop in SoCal that was only online transfers (no inventory, I believe) but they went under - I don't know the whole story. But hey, they say regulation spawns business opportunities.

 

[M_N04H]

Same, I have standing orders for optics milling and refinishing that I’m definitely not going to get to before the end of the year… hopefully Maple Leaf will be able to work around this.

Maple Leaf?

Edit: nm I looked it up

 

[shroom]

29 Outdoor Gear quoted. me $70 for a transfer fee to buy a complete blem BCM upper and have it shipped. On top of that, I would have to pay the CA 11% penalty. I think the total taxes would bring a $706.89 order close to $ 839.43, plus $15.95 Shipping , plus a $70 fee coming to $925.38. I bit the bullet and ordered the upper and a part. With shipping and tax , it all came to $788.23. That's a $137.15 difference.

What would it cost to drive to Nevada, maybe spend the night, find the right shop that has what you need, (if you can find a shop that sells what you need), and drive back? Gas, hotel and food is going to exceed that $137.15 charge even if you drop shipping .

Someone else offered a transfer service , involving a fee and reshipping costs. That was $25.00 plus whatever it costs to reship the item. Let's say $50.00 for an upper. That come to $ 863.23, $ 62.15 less than buying in CA and less than paying for gas for a Nevada trip. That's absolutely worth it for specialty parts with lower shipping costs, excluding barrels .

Is that a joke. 70 usd? Man F- this state. Money grubbing politicians, money grubbing ffls.

 

[cali_jazz]

Black Rifle Page on 1263 and how the new laws effect gun owners:

AB 1263: How New Firearm Regulations Affect Gun Owners

AB 1263 explained: what California gun owners must know, key dates, and why acting now with trusted suppliers matters.

blackrifledepot.com

 

[Coolguy]

I could see them creating a POLICY but probably not any programmatic functions the isolate people with CA addresses and block or remove listings for specific items from "Firearm Industry Members" I've seen this before on eBay and elsewhere with other CA restricted items, typically the sellers ad will contain a disclaimer "will not ship to the following states", etc. Since the items are totally legal to ship to other states, it doesn't make sense for them to have a no firearms parts/accessories blanket policy.

Also, for private (non "Firearm Industry Members") sellers / used items - they can still sell to us (I think)

I don't know but I do know that despite listing disclaimers if you cancel a transaction due to a problem with the buyer's address, they are still able to leave you negative feedback for the cancelled transaction.

Amazon has already banned most firearms parts and accessories. They really only allow a few things such as optics and accessories for bolt action rifles (not counting the items sellers have figured out how to circumvent the listing restrictions and haven't been caught yet). I see ebay going to a policy closer in line to amazon, which to me is detrimental to their profits because they get all the business amazon lost when they pretty much rolled up the category.

On a separate note, I don't think the law discriminates between new and used products, and from what I've been able to glean from the Orchid Advisors webinar all barrels not attached to a firearm must be purchased from an FFL brick and mortar store. There also doesn't seem to be a difference between new and used parts and accessories. So at gunshows, do all products need to warning labels on them? If you sell a used accessory FTF to another person does it need to have the warning label and document admonishing you not to commit a mass shooting with it?

 

[shroom]

The law specifically states "firearm industry member."
“Firearm industry member” shall mean a person, firm, corporation, company, partnership, society, joint stock company, or any other entity or association engaged in the manufacture, distribution, importation, marketing, wholesale sale, or retail sale of firearm-related products.

Do we know what that means for sure? Does posting a barrel in the marketplace constitute marketing? Does selling a barrel to someone constitute distributing?

 

[cali_jazz]

I don't know but I do know that despite listing disclaimers if you cancel a transaction due to a problem with the buyer's address, they are still able to leave you negative feedback for the cancelled transaction.

Amazon has already banned most firearms parts and accessories. They really only allow a few things such as optics and accessories for bolt action rifles (not counting the items sellers have figured out how to circumvent the listing restrictions and haven't been caught yet). I see ebay going to a policy closer in line to amazon, which to me is detrimental to their profits because they get all the business amazon lost when they pretty much rolled up the category.

On a separate note, I don't think the law discriminates between new and used products, and from what I've been able to glean from the Orchid Advisors webinar all barrels not attached to a firearm must be purchased from an FFL brick and mortar store. There also doesn't seem to be a difference between new and used parts and accessories. So at gunshows, do all products need to warning labels on them? If you sell a used accessory FTF to another person does it need to have the warning label and document admonishing you not to commit a mass shooting with it?

No, I still see mag extensions, tools, holsters, QD mounts, slings, grips etc. on Amazon. I'm not sure how they determine exactly what is allowed vs isn't?

As to used accessories and parts it would seem overly burdensome and unreasonable to expect secondary sellers to comply with the same requirements as retailers selling new. Why would they explicitly distinguish Firearm Industry Members from everyone else if the law applies across the board to everyone?

 

[cali_jazz]

The law specifically states "firearm industry member."
“Firearm industry member” shall mean a person, firm, corporation, company, partnership, society, joint stock company, or any other entity or association engaged in the manufacture, distribution, importation, marketing, wholesale sale, or retail sale of firearm-related products.

Do we know what that means for sure? Does posting a barrel in the marketplace constitute marketing? Does selling a barrel to someone constitute distributing?

DOJ has not clarified this and other questions regarding the overly vague law. On it's face it seems directed at retailers. I suspect the barrel portion needing an FFL will apply to all, just as we can't privately sell used guns without and FFL. Secondhand parts and accessories on the other hand seems unlikely, but never count out anything CA lawmakers would impose on the 2A community to limit our rights.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Hey, I thought online retailers were just going to card/ID us and have us sign for delivery. How come this guy is talking about needing to send parts to ffl to dros?

 

[Sparrow Dynamics]

Wager Machine Works updated their CA shipping policy in response to AB1263: https://wagermachineworks.com/california-orders-new-procedures-dec-2025/

If you’re sending a pistol slide out of state to get milled or serviced (ie: sending to manufacturer or gunsmith for work), will the new AB1263 requirements still apply if you’re not buying parts?

Hey, I thought online retailers were just going to card/ID us and have us sign for delivery. How come this guy is talking about needing to send parts to ffl to dros?

Because he didn't read the law himself and is making ASSUMPTIONS. I just left this comment below on that video. I hope it is helpful (to reduce confusion) to others that may go there and watch. If 2A YouTubers really want to help the 2A, they should try harder to not spread misinformation.

I don't know who this distributor is or what they are telling you, but I think you should read the law personally and not take their word for truth. AB1263 is completely unconstitutional and burdensome, but you don't need a background check or dealer record of sale for all these "firearms accessories". Commencing Jan 1st 2025, the completely unreasonable "reasonable controls" in the bill require age verification via ID --> that is not the same as DROS. As you mentioned, there are also shipping restrictions, like only shipping to the address on the ID and customer signature required. The customer also has to attest to receiving and understanding notification of the new regulations. What is really bad about the new law is that many customers will probably abandon their shopping cart when they see they have to upload an ID just to buy a spring or detent, then add the fact that it will be expensive to implement and maintain these controls for the online store... leading many stores to stop shipping to CA. AB1263 doesn't require a DROS or an FFL. It is age verification via ID and shipping restrictions. https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB1263/id/3272861 Not to be confused with SB704.

SB704 Firearm Barrels will require a DROS through a firearms dealer July 1st 2027. https://legiscan.com/CA/text/SB704/id/3272876

 

[fiatlux]

Because he didn't read the law himself and is making ASSUMPTIONS. I just left this comment below on that video. I hope it is helpful (to reduce confusion) to others that may go there and watch. If 2A YouTubers really want to help the 2A, they should try harder to not spread misinformation.

I don't know who this distributor is or what they are telling you, but I think you should read the law personally and not take their word for truth. AB1263 is completely unconstitutional and burdensome, but you don't need a background check or dealer record of sale for all these "firearms accessories". Commencing Jan 1st 2025, the completely unreasonable "reasonable controls" in the bill require age verification via ID --> that is not the same as DROS. As you mentioned, there are also shipping restrictions, like only shipping to the address on the ID and customer signature required. The customer also has to attest to receiving and understanding notification of the new regulations. What is really bad about the new law is that many customers will probably abandon their shopping cart when they see they have to upload an ID just to buy a spring or detent, then add the fact that it will be expensive to implement and maintain these controls for the online store... leading many stores to stop shipping to CA. AB1263 doesn't require a DROS or an FFL. It is age verification via ID and shipping restrictions. https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB1263/id/3272861 Not to be confused with SB704.

SB704 Firearm Barrels will require a DROS through a firearms dealer July 1st 2027. https://legiscan.com/CA/text/SB704/id/3272876

I couldn't even find your comment on the video so I'm guessing it got deleted or you're shadow banned.

 

[cali_jazz]

I couldn't even find your comment on the video so I'm guessing it got deleted or you're shadow banned.

I believe they have the comments set to be approved before posting. The same people run a training center in Fullerton, you can contact them via a form on the website trbtraining.com or email them directly at: Email: info@trbtraining.com.

 

[M_N04H]

This doesn't make it impossible to get what you need. It does create extra steps and restrictions. To me, the biggest annoyance is not being able to use my PO Box for these types of purchases.

 

[cali_jazz]

This doesn't make it impossible to get what you need. It does create extra steps and restrictions. To me, the biggest annoyance is not being able to use my PO Box for these types of purchases.

Unfortunately there are companies that will not ship to California at all or have stated they will only ship some limited subset of items.

•Walther: Will stop accepting orders on 12/28
•PMM: Will stop accepting orders on 12/12
•S&W: Will only fulfill orders that will be delivered by 12/31
•Springfield
•Arms Unlimited: Will bail 12/24

I'm sure there will be workarounds but at what cost?

 

[M_N04H]

Unfortunately there are companies that will not ship to California at all or have stated they will only ship some limited subset of items.

•Walther: Will stop accepting orders on 12/28
•PMM: Will stop accepting orders on 12/12
•S&W: Will only fulfill orders that will be delivered by 12/31
•Springfield
•Arms Unlimited: Will bail 12/24

I'm sure there will be workarounds but at what cost?

Yea I forgot to mention that. That's another thorn.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Because he didn't read the law himself and is making ASSUMPTIONS. I just left this comment below on that video. I hope it is helpful (to reduce confusion) to others that may go there and watch. If 2A YouTubers really want to help the 2A, they should try harder to not spread misinformation.

I don't know who this distributor is or what they are telling you, but I think you should read the law personally and not take their word for truth. AB1263 is completely unconstitutional and burdensome, but you don't need a background check or dealer record of sale for all these "firearms accessories". Commencing Jan 1st 2025, the completely unreasonable "reasonable controls" in the bill require age verification via ID --> that is not the same as DROS. As you mentioned, there are also shipping restrictions, like only shipping to the address on the ID and customer signature required. The customer also has to attest to receiving and understanding notification of the new regulations. What is really bad about the new law is that many customers will probably abandon their shopping cart when they see they have to upload an ID just to buy a spring or detent, then add the fact that it will be expensive to implement and maintain these controls for the online store... leading many stores to stop shipping to CA. AB1263 doesn't require a DROS or an FFL. It is age verification via ID and shipping restrictions. https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB1263/id/3272861 Not to be confused with SB704.

SB704 Firearm Barrels will require a DROS through a firearms dealer July 1st 2027. https://legiscan.com/CA/text/SB704/id/3272876

Sparrow coming through with the big peanut sac hanging low; big hanging Rick calling them out! good sheeez.

 

[Coolguy]

No, I still see mag extensions, tools, holsters, QD mounts, slings, grips etc. on Amazon. I'm not sure how they determine exactly what is allowed vs isn't?

As to used accessories and parts it would seem overly burdensome and unreasonable to expect secondary sellers to comply with the same requirements as retailers selling new. Why would they explicitly distinguish Firearm Industry Members from everyone else if the law applies across the board to everyone?

While amazon does allow some things, they banned many if not most things related to what they determine to be an assault weapon. Again, some sellers have figured out how to evade detection by listing products in other categories and disguising their true nature, but this is a list of what amazon allows and doesn't allow. If you look at that, you will see ebay is MUCH more permissive than amazon. This list in not all inclusive, and they reserve the right to deem any part as an assault weapon part at any time.
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Amazon prohibits the listing or sale of certain firearm and imitation firearm accessories.



Examples of permitted listings



Butt plates

Fixed stocks, with the exception of thumbhole stocks

Holsters

Magazine floor plates and base plates

Choke tubes without spikes

Single picatinny or weaver rails

Trigger guards

Two point and traditional slings

Vise blocks that are not intended for use with assault weapons

The following examples of permitted listings are subject to geographic sales restrictions:



Grip extensions that do not add capacity and do not allow for the use of a higher capacity magazine

Grips designed for handguns

Concealed carry holsters, belts, or straps

Laser sights that are properly labeled with laser strength and class (with the exception of guide rod laser sights, which are prohibited)

Heat suppressors for silencers

Firearm shooting tripods, bipods, and shooting rests

Magazine loaders, except for those that can accommodate the following calibers: .223/5.56; 7.62 x 51; 308; 7.62 x 39; and 5.45 x 39

Reloading kits and equipment

Scopes, including night vision or infrared scopes

Suppressors or silencers that are permanently affixed to and are integral to the barrel of airsoft, air, and paintball guns

Examples of prohibited listings



Assault weapon parts or accessories or products marketed as assault weapon parts or accessories, including any reference to assault weapons, such as cleaning mats printed with assault weapon diagrams

Parts or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon

Gun parts and accessories, even when designed or marketed for use with paintball, airsoft, or air guns, such as the following:

Assault weapon conversion kits

Assault weapon grips, forend grips, front grips, and foregrips

Assault weapon and AR-specific tools, such as the following:

Vise blocks

AR-15 and M16 armorer’s wrenches or combo wrenches

Bullet button tools

Auto sears, such as the following:

Full auto sears, also known as drop-in auto sear or DIAS

AR-15 auto sears

Auto sears II

Barrels, barrel shrouds, barrel extenders, heat guards, hand guards, and vent cooling slots

Battery assist levers

Bayonet mounts and any device for attaching a bayonet to a firearm

Camouflaging gun containers designed to fire without removing the gun from its container

Charging handles, latches, and assemblies

Detachable carry handles and assault rifle carry handles

Ejection port, ejection port covers, and dust covers

Frames

Gas blocks, gas tubes, and gas pistons

Certain grips and grip accessories, such as the following:

Pistol grips designed for attachment to an assault weapon, rifle, or shotgun

Folding, vertical, and tactical grips

Angled foregrips and ambidextrous foregrips

Grip pods, funnels, and extensions

Hand stops

Door breachers

Kits that can be used to create gun magazines

Machine gun conversion kits and any part or combination of parts for converting a firearm into an automatic weapon

Magazines and related items, such as the following:

Magazine components or extensions

Magazine cinches, couplers, connectors, dual mag holders, dual mag clamps and followers

Magazine loaders that can accommodate the following calibers: .223/5.56; 7.62 x 51; 308; 7.62 x 39; 5.45 x 39

Multi-rail systems, including quad rails and rail covers, and free-floating and drop-in handguards

Muzzle brakes, also known as muzzle tamers

Pistol stabilizing braces

Pumkin punchers

Recoil compensators

Receivers, including lower and upper receivers

Receiver extensions and pins

Receiver wedges or buffers that tighten loose upper and lower receivers

AR-specific jig kits

Revolving cylinder for shotgun Selector levers, detents, and switches

Single point and 3-point slings

Sling plates and end plates intended for use with single point or 3-point slings

Slide fire stock and weapons kits, such as bump firing devices, stocks, and kits

Solvent trap oil filter adapters, solvent traps and homemade silencers, and component parts for solvent traps and homemade silencers

Any non-fixed stock, including telescoping, folding, or collapsible stocks

Silencers or suppressors, including the following:

Flash suppressors

Sound suppressors

Suppressors marketed or intended for airsoft, air guns, or paintball guns

Fake, mock, or faux silencers or suppressors

Takedown pins, pivot pins, cam pins, and roll pins

Threaded barrel adapters

Thumbhole stocks

Trigger activators, such as the following:

Multi-burst trigger activators

Trigger attachments

Devices that facilitate so called "bump-firing"

All internal and moving gun parts, even when designed or marketed for use with paintball, airsoft, or air guns, such as the following:

Bolt catch releases, assemblies, actuators, and battery assist levers

Bolt carriers, bolt pins, and buffer pins

Buffer tubes, extension tubes, recoil buffers, and related parts

Firing pins, springs, and stops

Guide rods

Trigger, trigger assemblies, or fire control groups

Upgrade parts and replacement parts

Anti-walk pins

Firearm production machinery

 

[GunZKK]

If I go to the next state over and walk into a gun store and purchase barrels, accessories, etc. I'm legally allowed to bring them in right? Or once the barrel background check process goes into place I now can't buy barrels out of state in person?

Barrels are the only thing that have serial numbers and only European ones at that, and even then there is no database for them for California to cross reference. All of the other parts are non-traceable and there is no way for the state to know when or how you were in possession of that item. This law for the most part is unenforceable unless they catch you on entry into the state and that is very unlikely. Its just to give us a hard time that's all it's for they know it can't be enforced. The point of California gun laws is to put us in a corner that way if we breath we are felons and then take your guns.

 

[GunZKK]

Rat out "what"... I'm trying to get SOMEONE, somewhere, inside the company and outside to get something worked out: A checkout system that accommodates these transactions. The ability to get an ID verification system implemented that eBay could juggle, rather than the impossible task of having small businesses and individual Sellers try to comply with data collection of YOUR I.D. when buying something - do you want me to keep your ID on my hard drive at the office, or have the marketplace retain that data? What sort of services exist for Sellers with their own websites have at their disposal to implement something that will accommodate CA buyers outside the eBay platform? Go ahead and gripe all you want. The biggest hesitation I had signing up to post here was to set aside any pre-conceived notions about the supposed arrogance a lot of the county sees in Californians - The way I see it, we're Americans and should be fighting those who are pulling this sort of legislation, not each other. Acting like eBay "doesn't know about this" is ridiculous. Why don't you, and everyone else who gives a sh** call them and offer some ideas that will help everyone, instead.

I actually have been genuinely curious about eBay as well. I buy alot of stuff from there, especially for older firearms, where parts are hard to come by. It would be nice if eBay had some communication on this.