Open AB-1263 - Online sale ban - I changed the title because it was too clickbaity.

[Deleted member 16735]

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[muffin_top]

Ok great page 2 is also going to be about video games and not how you can't buy anything online anymore. Firing up Red Dead Redemption 2 and killing everything that moves. No redemption, only dead.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Ok so I read the bill and I don't see where it restricts any accessories from being sold, only that when certain accessories like barrels or items that will turn a weapon into an "assault weapon", they need to be labeled with a warning not to use them illegally (LOL). Reno seems to think this would apply to triggers but the way it's worded makes me think it's only things that would apply to features like the grips or whatever. It is F-ing annoying and unnecessary for sure because even just the warning will be enough that out of state vendors just wont sell us stuff. But it's not a full on ban it doesn't sound like. The barrel through the FFL is much worse in my opinion, as someone who buys a lot of barrels. It seems that the main point of the bill is about liability, it says that if you break the rules and commit a crime then there is an explicit personal liability for extra damages.

 

[OffRoadRN]

Is there anything in there about FFL03 exemptions?

 

[Plenty_Pack_556]

O look. A thread about CA 2A issue, and more than half the comments could be it's own thread about who uses what computer.

Looks like majority of gunowners here are temporary gunowners.

Edit: OP, you should change the title again. This thread is a click-bait as a whole. No one is serious on this issue, but rather what a youtuber uses to touch himself at night on what type of operating system of a computer, lol.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

O look. A thread about CA 2A issue, and more than half the comments could be it's own thread about who uses what computer.

Looks like majority of gunowners here are temporary gunowners.

Edit: OP, you should change the title again. This thread is a click-bait as a whole. No one is serious on this issue, but rather what a youtuber uses to touch himself at night on what type of operating system of a computer, lol.

Sounds like someone needs to touch them self right now

 

[ikeo1]

O look. A thread about CA 2A issue, and more than half the comments could be it's own thread about who uses what computer.

Looks like majority of gunowners here are temporary gunowners.

Edit: OP, you should change the title again. This thread is a click-bait as a whole. No one is serious on this issue, but rather what a youtuber uses to touch himself at night on what type of operating system of a computer, lol.

I wonder if you see the irony in this post.

 

[Plenty_Pack_556]

I wonder if you see the irony in this post.

Yea, I should have quoted after Moldymuffins post. That user seems to get it as well.

About online sales and purchases, anyone have a simple English like DJT level of vocabulary to explain what is allowed and not allowed for future dates, dates like Jan 1st, 2026; July 1st, 2026; Jan 1st, 2027; July 1st, 2027?

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Yea, I should have quoted after Moldymuffins post. That user seems to get it as well.

About online sales and purchases, anyone have a simple English like DJT level of vocabulary to explain what is allowed and not allowed for future dates, dates like Jan 1st, 2026; July 1st, 2026; Jan 1st, 2027; July 1st, 2027?

I don't think anyone knows much about this bill. The agency will write regulations based on the text of the law and then we will have specifics, but until then I would say we know that barrels need to go through FFLs so that's probably the most annoying thing coming up. So stock up on barrels.

 

[treelogger]

So stock up on barrels.

I'm trying! But the ones I want seem to be backordered, by roughly as many weeks as we have left in this year.

I haven't had time to read AB1263 yet (darn day job), so here's a quick question: Does it ban personally importing (carrying) a barrel or other accessory from a neighboring state, like the ammo background check law does? Because I can legally purchase all manners of good stuff in Arizona, Nevada or Oregon, and it is easy to transport.

 

[star.3d]

I have been watching for the CA OAG to schedule rulemaking on this bill. I agree that this bill risks making basically all firearm parts subject to ID requirements. So basically, large online vendors will collect your ID for online purchases of any "firearm accessory", which is defined as any part that will increase the rate of fire of a gun or is used in building a firearm. So everything except optics.

@Plenty_Pack_556 Here's the TLDR:

ALL sections start 1/1/2026:

• All retail sales of barrels and "firearm accessories" (any gun part that could produce an assault weapon - grips, mags, multi-burst triggers), require ID verification at purchase and upon delivery if shipped to you. Only allowed to ship to address on your ID, signature required upon delivery.
• Retailers must notify purchasers of CA ghost gun laws. Buyer must acknowledge understanding them.
• Retailers must include new warning paperwork for all firearm accessories and barrels sold into California.
• Allows the state to bring suit ($25,000 penalty + injunctive relief, i.e. uncapped amount + attorneys fees) against individuals/entities who publish CAD/STL files for receivers, "firearm accessories" and other parts. Allows individuals to sue individuals/entities who publish CAD files that result in harm to someone in California.

 

[star.3d]

Does it ban personally importing (carrying) a barrel or other accessory from a neighboring state, like the ammo background check law does?

No, it does not. AB1263 specifically targets retail sales in or into the state - by restricting the retailer. Barrel restrictions in SB704 also do not prevent you physically importing (under your possession) from another state - the legal liability ($10k fine) is on the buyer, and possibly also retailer.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

I'm trying! But the ones I want seem to be backordered, by roughly as many weeks as we have left in this year.

I haven't had time to read AB1263 yet (darn day job), so here's a quick question: Does it ban personally importing (carrying) a barrel or other accessory from a neighboring state, like the ammo background check law does? Because I can legally purchase all manners of good stuff in Arizona, Nevada or Oregon, and it is easy to transport.

The Barrel FFL bill is SB704, I don't see any provisions about bringing in barrels from out of state, the ammo background check was prop 63 and it did have specific language about bringing in ammo from out of state. What barrels are you looking for?

 

[star.3d]

The Barrel FFL bill is SB704

Barrels are also restricted, explicitly, under AB1263.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Barrels are also restricted, explicitly, under AB1263.

true but since the other bill has stricter requirements the requirements under AB1263 don't add much except the warning label

 

[star.3d]

Not sure I agree - if you buy a barrel online, the seller still has to verify your ID, get your acknowledgement, and satisfy warning labeling. Then they ship to a Cali FFL for eligibility check (starting 7/1/27). I think we'll continue to see online retailers withdraw from the CA market altogether. Personally, I really don't want to have to submit my ID and personally identifying info to online retailers. How long are they going to retain it? I also can't ship to the address on my ID, because I live in the hood and my mail gets jacked literally every day. So for me, AB1263 is an E-commerce moratorium.

 

[treelogger]

What barrels are you looking for?

First, conversion barrel for a Gen 3 Glock 35 to 357Sig. I may have found one vendor who has them in stock, not clear yet.

Second, conversion for the same Glock 35 to 9mm. On that one, the (expensive but nice) answer might be to get a complete 17L slide (with barrel and all parts). Yes, I mean 17L for "long". Or just get the 9mm conversion barrel for the 35 without the extra slide.

... which is defined as anything that ... is used in building a firearm.

This is the really worrisome part. In theory, that might mean milling machines, drill bits, and screwdrivers, and all forms of bulk metal (like water pipe or aluminum stock). Obviously enforcing that would be insane, since it would de-facto shut down Home Depot and Lowe's. What the state might try is to only enforce it on gun-related things ... like Wheeler brand screwdriver kits (preferred by gun smiths), but not Craftsman brand screwdrivers (preferred by carpenters). That would also be insane. Would a bottle of CLP be on the list? Trying to justify why CLP is restricted, but WD-40 is not would make some judge very unhappy. Anything but the narrowest interpretation would get the courts to stop enforcement.

Allows the state to bring suit ... who publish CAD/STL files for receivers, "firearm accessories" and other parts.

That one runs head first into the first amendment brick law. I can print such a CAD file on a T-shirt, or publish it as a textbook, and the state would have a very hard time convincing a judge that this is not a form of free speech.

Barrel restrictions in SB704 also do not prevent you physically importing (under your possession) from another state - the legal liability ($10k fine) is on the buyer, and possibly also retailer.

Thanks for the reminder, I forgot about SB704.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

First, conversion barrel for a Gen 3 Glock 35 to 357Sig. I may have found one vendor who has them in stock, not clear yet.

Second, conversion for the same Glock 35 to 9mm. On that one, the (expensive but nice) answer might be to get a complete 17L slide (with barrel and all parts). Yes, I mean 17L for "long". Or just get the 9mm conversion barrel for the 35 without the extra slide.


This is the really worrisome part. In theory, that might mean milling machines, drill bits, and screwdrivers, and all forms of bulk metal (like water pipe or aluminum stock). Obviously enforcing that would be insane, since it would de-facto shut down Home Depot and Lowe's. What the state might try is to only enforce it on gun-related things ... like Wheeler brand screwdriver kits (preferred by gun smiths), but not Craftsman brand screwdrivers (preferred by carpenters). That would also be insane. Would a bottle of CLP be on the list? Trying to justify why CLP is restricted, but WD-40 is not would make some judge very unhappy. Anything but the narrowest interpretation would get the courts to stop enforcement.


That one runs head first into the first amendment brick law. I can print such a CAD file on a T-shirt, or publish it as a textbook, and the state would have a very hard time convincing a judge that this is not a form of free speech.


Thanks for the reminder, I forgot about SB704.

KKM makes both of those but they are custom and take like a month, but that would still be before the end of the year: https://kkmprecision.com/product-category/glock/35/

 

[star.3d]

This is the really worrisome part. In theory, that might mean milling machines, drill bits, and screwdrivers, and all forms of bulk metal (like water pipe or aluminum stock).

I could've been clearer - I'm sorry. What I mean is any gun part that could be used to build/assembly a firearm. AB1263 does also place restrictions on 3D printing and CNC machining; if you own a CNC or 3D printer and are investigated for firearms offenses, I would absolutely expect to come under scrutiny or have machines seized. It's already illegal in CA for anyone but an FFL07 to use a 3D printer or CNC machine to machine precursor parts. AB1263 extends that to "accessories".

That one runs head first into the first amendment brick law. I can print such a CAD file on a T-shirt, or publish it as a textbook, and the state would have a very hard time convincing a judge that this is not a form of free speech.

But who's going to bring suit? Like what web developer's income is dependent on being able to publish STL files of lower receivers and magazine speed loaders? I expect that Thingiverse, Printables, etc will all ban firearm-related content: STL files, pre-sliced G-code, or basically any 3D model regardless of scale/functionality.

Edit: It's already illegal to 3D print or CNC a precursor part in California. Prosecutors have more than enough laws to charge criminals. What AB1263 really is - taken together - is an attempt to regulate the internet in terms of content and retail sales. It 100% will make a new class of criminals (lawful sellers today) starting 1/1/2026. This is the most egregious gun bill of 2025.

 

[trevor48]

I'll just leave it here.

Bill Text - AB-1263 Firearms: ghost guns.

With everyone's favorite "lawyer"

So does this mark the end of this site (or at least the classified section)?