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Handloading ~ 10k rounds per year seems like a task that takes a lot of time.
I don't have the know how nor the skill & equipment to load.
But even in the best case scenario, you'll be spending lots of time at the re-loading bench.
You have to enjoy it and find it fun. Progressive presses can load 300 rounds an hour hand feeding brass and bullets. Throw a brass feeder on and that number doubles. A lot of folks can load 6-700 rounds in an hour. I usually budget 200 rounds a week for practice . I load 300, stash 100 and after a while , I don’t need to reload every week. Some weeks I shoot more and use the extra.

I went shooting on private land with buddies this week but was low on .223. I loaded 200 rounds after dinner fairly easily the night before. Cost was $44.00. Took me an hour including set up, checking it and packing it up.

It’s brass prep that is time consuming , but you can do it in 15 or 30 minute increments. After a while , you have buckets of brass ready to load.

I had an overwhelming project that consumed the last 6 months. I didn’t shoot much or reload . I just prepped brass when I had a minute here and there.

It’s fun.

When I got into shooting , a great shooter (GM) told me to reload. He said there is always a shortage, always price spikes , always some fee or tax. Not for reloaders.
 
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Progressive presses can load 300 rounds an hour hand feeding brass and bullets. Throw a brass feeder on and that number doubles. A lot of folks can load 6-700 rounds in an hour. I usually budget 200 rounds a week for practice . I load 300, stash 100 and after a while , I don’t need to reload every week. Some weeks I shoot more use the extra.

I went shooting on private land with buddies this week but was low on .223. I loaded 200 rounds after dinner fairly easily the night before. Cost was $44.00. Took me an hour including set up, checking it and packing it up.

It’s brass prep that is time consuming , but you can do it in 15 or 30 minute increments. After a while , you have buckets of brass ready to load.

It’s fun.

When I got into shooting , a great shooter (GM) told me to reload. He said there is always a shortage, always price spikes , always some fee or tax. Not for reloaders.
I am sure it is, once you acquired knowledge and developed the routine. I take it this is 'net' time, excluding equipment setup, possible maintenance etc.
Difference between the person who has years of experience and someone like me, who has never done it & hasn't got a clue.
Not that I could not learn it, but time is of essence. I usually already have a packed 7-day week. There are things I can incorporate, streamline it into my workflow, other things not so much. Than there is still the cost for equipment. Yes, it will pay off over time, but from what I gather, this cost is not insignificant.

On a different note, my LGS had a class organized for reloading, which I would have had great interest. This was years ago.
Guess what, it was shot down because it was considered ammunition manufacturing, for which it was required to obtain high papal permission and licensing.
 
Handloading ~ 10k rounds per year seems like a task that takes a lot of time.
I don't have the know how nor the skill & equipment to load.
But even in the best case scenario, you'll be spending lots of time at the re-loading bench.
It's true, I used to use a progressive press and my right arm got even more buff than my left. Reloading is a hobby in itself and I generally don't recommend it to people unless they are high volume shooters and even then warn them about the time commitment.

It is a bit of a hassle, but it is also fun. I'd much rather buy the ammo, but when there's supply interruptions like during covid, prices for components lagged behind so it helps with availability. Prices are also going up where it makes less cents. ;) Primers have come down, but powder and projectiles are up.

With the right equipment, its not that long but still long enough. For most people, I tell them to buy for now, while ammo is affordable again.
 
On a different note, my LGS had a class organized for reloading, which I would have had great interest. This was years ago.
Guess what, it was shot down because it was considered ammunition manufacturing, for which it was required to obtain high papal permission and licensing.
What TF?….where was this?…Licensing?…considered ammunition manufacturing?
Please expand on this horse💩, I’d like to hear it.
I’ve taught a number of folks how to reload their own ammunition; NO stupid dildo in government is going to get in my way, or get me to have some stupid permission slip as I continue to do so. They can eat 💩.
 
Let me re-phrase this: A youngin part-time employee at my LGS told me that. Years ago, pre-covid.
Maybe they tried to advertise for it through the LGS and they didn't like it. I did not investigate nor verify the story.
I wrote the "permission & licensing" context for added entertainment.
However, I do not believe the story was made entirely out of thin air.

On the other hand, whatever you do in the privacy of your backroom or garage that nobody knows of except you and your humble pupil, will probably get very little outside attention. You wouldn't advertise it on your local craigslist? Just saying.
 
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Let me re-phrase this: A youngin part-time employee at my LGS told me that. Years ago, pre-covid.
Maybe they tried to advertise for it through the LGS and they didn't like it. I didn't not investigate nor verify the story.
I wrote the "permission & licensing" context for added entertainment.
However, I do not believe the story was made entirely out of thin air.

On the other hand, whatever you do in the privacy of your backroom or garage that nobody knows of except you and your humble pupil, will probably get very little outside attention. You wouldn't advertise it on your local craigslist? Just asking.
Not on Craigslist, but I do include an occasional reloading clinic advertisement for our gun club, that is taught by another member. If I had a better facility to accommodate a class on my own property/armory, I’d gladly teach selected folks about reloading at my own expense. Heck, I already freely give away ammunition (factory new) to young people getting into shooting, so why not volunteer my time and resources to better the 2A movement through reloading?…The more people who can get into shooting because they can afford ammunition the better.
 
Not on Craigslist, but I do include an occasional reloading clinic advertisement for our gun club, that is taught by another member. If I had a better facility to accommodate a class on my own property/armory, I’d gladly teach selected folks about reloading at my own expense. Heck, I already freely give away ammunition (factory new) to young people getting into shooting, so why not volunteer my time and resources to better the 2A movement through reloading?…The more people who can get into shooting because they can afford ammunition the better.
That sounds like a great attitude. It reminds me, I did reply to one of your early posts with a location reference.
Vintage Grocers at PHC and Trancas Canyon Rd. A good friend lives in the neighborhood behind it, used to go for walks on the boardwalk.
 
like the AK and AR build parties of years pass. They stopped doing them even though the people were building it themselves legit backthen. But cause the tooling was not owned by the individuals and some were done on a commercial property. The store maybe seen as a manufacture and would require the licenses. I stayed away from those cause i knew the attention they were getting was going to get them shutdown. I'm guessing your lgs was afraid of the legal 💩storm and wanted none of it. cause you do need a 06 to make ammo commercially.

Let me re-phrase this: A youngin part-time employee at my LGS told me that. Years ago, pre-covid.
Maybe they tried to advertise for it through the LGS and they didn't like it. I did not investigate nor verify the story.
I wrote the "permission & licensing" context for added entertainment.
However, I do not believe the story was made entirely out of thin air.

On the other hand, whatever you do in the privacy of your backroom or garage that nobody knows of except you and your humble pupil, will probably get very little outside attention. You wouldn't advertise it on your local craigslist? Just saying.
 
My LGS owner is verifiably a man with backbone. It's a family owned business. I know them since many years now.
To be in good standing with all, local and federal authorities, is crucial in the FFL business. In CA for sure.
To run a successful & lasting business, you have to have them on your side.
Smart gun store operators know, it can be humiliating far too many times. Getting into arguments over small matters does not seem to be a good idea.
My LGS expanded less than 2 years ago, tripled his retail space. From the horses mouth I heard, all participating family (business) members put their life savings into it. Outfitting the store, surveillance systems, inventory up to the ceiling, etc.
You don't want to jeopardize the operation and investment because of some irrelevant bureaucratic argument with any of the agents.
 
I probably won't surprise you that I disagree. And I've run campaigns, done lots of polling, and watched elections carefully.

Yes, both election fraud and mistakes happen. At very very low levels. My educated guess from about 4 elections is that election results in California are accurate to about 0.1% or 0.2%. When I say "accurate", I mean: they reflect what voters really wrote on their ballots, be it at precincts on election day, or when they mail ballots. A different question is that quite a few voters (several percent) don't even know what they are voting for. In candidate elections, they may confuse Bob Miller with Charlie Smith, and wrote for the wrong guy. In non-partisan elections they may think "no" means taxes go up instead of down, and check the wrong box. This is not elections being dishonest, it is voters being stupid.

What are the real sources of elections being inaccurate? In my observation, the #1 cause is votes being intentionally suppressed. Typical cases include: one spouse gives their ballot to the other spouse to bring it to the post office; the other spouse instead throws it into the trash, because they know their spouse will vote "the wrong way". Or: landlord and tenant share a mailbox, landlord gets to the mail first every afternoon, throws the tenants ballot materials away. Some of these cases can be cured by campaign volunteers (for example communicating with the voters directly, and having them drop off their ballot in person, or pick up new ballots at the elections office). In some cases, volunteers can personally take the voter (typically abused women) to the registrar's office on election day to fix the issue; the standard ruse that doesn't cause abusive husbands to lash out is that a female friend takes the voter to a shopping trip in the big town, which happens to be where the registrar's office is located.

The other category of criminal election fraud is voters deliberately registering in districts they don't reside in, usually using some friend's address, to be able to vote in local elections they care about. For state-wide and national elections, that tends to come out in the wash. There are also rare cases of double voting; they can be caused innocently by voters registering multiple times with differently spelled names. For example, Bob F. Miller doesn't remember whether they're registered, sends in another registration form as Fred B. Miller, gets two ballots, votes them both. Or I had a case of both Gus Smith and Constantine Smith being registered, they are the same person (in that case, the voter called up our campaign to ask what they should do, having just voted twice by mistake, and we directed them to the registrar's phone number to have one of the votes invalidated).

Voting by non-citizens fundamentally never happens, because registrars are very good about checking against immigration records. The number of non-citizen voters who are mailed ballots is vanishingly small, and most will not send their ballots back, since they know that voting would be a serious crime.

I've only once seen a case of a dead person voting, and it was perfectly legit: the voter signed their ballot, mailed it a few weeks before the election, and then passed away. The law is that you must be alive at the time the vote is mailed, not on election day. And since registrars of voters are notified of death certificates immediately, it is extremely rare that a person who is already dead is mailed a ballot; I've only heard second-hand about this happening (and it tends to be pretty traumatic when the family receives mail for their recently deceased relative).

In other states, there may be a lot of voter suppression by over-eager purging of voter rolls. This is not an issue in California. And if anything, this is something that is pushed in republican-run states to cement their rule over those states.

Finally, the whole idea of "deep state" is laughable. Yes, there is way too much bureaucracy, and I'll give you CARB as the prime example of an agency that has outlived its usefulness and today does more harm than good. But the notion that a deep state ignores or drives elections is ridiculous paranoia.

But I do totally agree that more people need to volunteer in elections, and help with counting and watching. Many hands make fast and accurate work of elections. And getting involved in local politics (of whatever party one identifies with) is always a good idea. If you want to cause change, the best thing you can do is to stop foaming at the mouth and raving, and instead volunteer with a campaign of your choice, and go door to door (or make phone calls) to convince people to vote the way you believe in. I've done thousands of hours of this.
Yeah, cuz no one cheats in ballot harvesting. Michigan case proves you way wrong.
Shennanigans in AZ in NV also prove you wrong.
Ca is the leader in cheating.
How do you watch ballot harvesters cheating?
Oh that's right there is no volunteer to help watch the harvesters that fill out many false documents, or pay the homeless for voting (which is illegal) etc etc.
 
Rhode v Bonta is the court case handling this 💩
And isn't it sad that we can't get a stay on the law until the constitutional portion is fought out.
But somehow the anti 2nd amendment people always get a stay on the good laws for those who support the constitution.
 
Yeah, cuz no one cheats in ballot harvesting. Michigan case proves you way wrong.
Shennanigans in AZ in NV also prove you wrong.
Ca is the leader in cheating.
How do you watch ballot harvesters cheating?
Oh that's right there is no volunteer to help watch the harvesters that fill out many false documents, or pay the homeless for voting (which is illegal) etc etc.
Keep in mind this post is from August. Everyone cheats, that's why I trust no one and verify.
 
Keep in mind this post is from August. Everyone cheats, that's why I trust no one and verify.
I saw, but any posts about fair elections in Cali are laughable at best.
There is no way in hell everyone is voting in every new tax and bond measure.
But somehow miraculously they pass every time. I can't vote in Cali (legally), but I sure pay the piper with all the 'people' voting in new taxes and bond measures ;)
 
I sure pay the piper with all the 'people' voting in new taxes and bond measures ;)
I used to be one of those people, but I'm taxed out. At a certain point, they started going too far. I think we're starting to hit the threshold for a lot of things. The UHC event and Dems switching over etc, is a big sign that there's a new normal coming and now is a long drawn out transition.
 
I got tangled up in that also, didn't see the date. My bad.
We did gain some ground throughout CA districts to present opposition to the majority party.
They kept counting and curing ballots for weeks after the election.
CA is a "winner takes all", for presidential elections, the will make sure this huge junk of delegates isn't going anywhere.
If you look at CA's history, the true Golden State periods were under Republican Governorship.
I love California's glamorous history very interesting, despite the rampant corruption.
The Chandlers (Los Angeles Times), The Getty Family, etc.

Another misunderstood terminology.
Senators, Congressman/women are voted in/elected to be representatives of their constituency.
Once they are in office, they will adhere to the party handbook and execute the party agenda.
Thus, they become politicians. Again, they have been elected to be representatives, not politicians.
 
I used to be one of those people, but I'm taxed out. At a certain point, they started going too far. I think we're starting to hit the threshold for a lot of things. The UHC event and Dems switching over etc, is a big sign that there's a new normal coming and now is a long drawn out transition.
I mentioned it more than once. I am immigrant, 1st generation. I came here because I believe in America.
If America is what it is said to be, it will survive and recover. I proudly stand with America.
I have sworn an oath at the age of 50. I worked half my live to get to the point in time where I was called to swear this oath.
In Gerry Garcia's words :ROFLMAO: "What a long strange trip it's been".
 
That sounds like a great attitude. It reminds me, I did reply to one of your early posts with a location reference.
Vintage Grocers at PHC and Trancas Canyon Rd. A good friend lives in the neighborhood behind it, used to go for walks on the boardwalk.
I know the area very well. Some years ago we often rode our horses on the beach at Trancas.
The area you speak has some of the nicest weather in the entire country, IMO. With the exception of occasional intense brush fires, it is really nice, and I prefer some of the lots over those on the water along Broad Beach.
The Vintage Grocer’s market was totally remodeled some years back, from a run down dinky grocery store that had limited stock. The Von’s (Pavillion’s) down at Heathercliff was always better, but for those who lived at Trancas, or camped up at Leo Carrillo State Beach it was convenient.
If I were into investing in fast-food restaurants, I’d put in a Subway, Jersey Mike’s, or Panda Express in that mini-mall at PCH & Busch Drive. I think in the summertime it would be an absolute gold mine with the crowds at Zuma.
 
Nothing quite like it.

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That was a HOWS market until 2011. The place where I almost ran into Goldie Hawn, head-on.
I was running down the isle toward the register. Around the corner, and ... bam! Almost!
I was able to stop on a dime, avoiding a collision.
She gave me the cutest smile, just like in the movies. :D
 
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I have hundreds of these.
If you hang out there during the summer, the Dolphins usually go by in the late afternoon/early evening. Ive actually been really close to the pods while catching breaks before dinner.65025221325__5B0A631C-2779-4530-A754-3E2514FCFAD4.jpeg
 
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