An odd interaction

[ef9boy88]

Over on Calguns, I saw a seller with an SKS I was interested in, so I contacted seller. He got back to me, we started talking I gave him my contact info. He then asked for an email with a photo of my FFL,COE, and DL. Is this a normal thing? In my other transactions I never had this request.

 

[1911-CV]

Depends, if he's an FFL03 and you are an FFL03 he'd need your DL for his book to do the transfer without going through an 01.

[Edit] though not until you meet to do the transfer.

 

[couragewolf]

That’s a no from me dawg you can have my FFL info and when we meet there the FFL can see my stuff no reason to expose this to a seller

 

[Deleted member 6005]

That’s a no from me dawg you can have my FFL info and when we meet there the FFL can see my stuff no reason to expose this to a seller

What 1911-CV said.

 

[couragewolf]

What 1911-CV said.

How would an ffl03 go to all that trouble and not know this

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

That’s a no from me dawg you can have my FFL info and when we meet there the FFL can see my stuff no reason to expose this to a seller

No, not if you are doing California cash and carry for c&r long guns; as a 03/coe holder that is the buyer. You don’t need to go to an 01 ffl dealer to facilitate the transfer for c&r long guns; only if the buyer is 03/coe holder. You can meet up directly with the seller, if you the buyer are 03/coe, either in their garage, driveway, Safeway parking lot/chevron gas station (unloaded and keep it within the trunk to not violate any open carry laws), if described as is, you pay the cash, write down their info in your bound book, if they are an 03ffl/coe too they will need your info as well. You as the buyer need to go home and log onto CFARS to register it along with paying $19.

As 03ffl/coe as the buyer, you are only required to go to 01 ffl dealer to facilitate the transfer of c&r handguns; however you are exempt from the 10 day waiting period. As an 03/coe holder, who is the buyer, you are required to document the acquisition of this c&r handgun in your bound book.

Even if you go to 01 ffl dealer to facilitate the transfer of the c&r long gun and pay that $47.?? Total for the ppt; if you the buyer are an 03/coe holder, you still need to write the sellers info in your bound book.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Over on Calguns, I saw a seller with an SKS I was interested in, so I contacted seller. He got back to me, we started talking I gave him my contact info. He then asked for an email with a photo of my FFL,COE, and DL. Is this a normal thing? In my other transactions I never had this request.

Usually no, unless he thought you were 03/coe or is only doing California cash and carry transactions with other 03/coe holders because they see it as more simple; just wants proof that the buyer indeed is and not wasting their time. He is not required to be shown visual proof ahead of time before meeting; he really only needs to see it upon proceeding with the California cash and carry when meeting in person before the cash is handed over, to input that DL info in his bound book (if he is 03/coe as the seller) while you will also need his as well. He could just be checking to make sure the buyer is indeed 03/coe.

If he is not 03/coe as the seller, he doesn’t need to write any info down in his bound book as he is required by the ATF to keep one for acquisitions and dispositions of c&r firearms. You as the 03/coe holder who is the buyer is required to input his DL info in your bound book since this is a new acquisition; info needs to be correct in the scenario ATF does happen to schedule an appointment to check your bound book of your acquisitions/dispositions.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

The thing with having an 03/coe as the buyer or even the seller, when the other person whether it be the buyer or the seller doesn’t have an 03/coe holder, you pretty much need to let them know that you are required to write down their DL info in your bound book of the acquisition or disposition. This can be disadvantage; depending on how it’s viewed. Not everybody is comfortable with you having record of their DL info but some might. However, there is a saying that whenever a 01ffl dealer sees those credentials, they know they are legit, will pass a background check with no problems, have been vetted by the government (ATF) or paid for additional background checks (livescan), and definitely not there to start trouble at the store or rob the store.

I remember I had times where I used the 03/coe for the exemption of not needing to wait 1 in 30 for handguns (store inventory) or the 1 in 30 for any type of firearm (store inventory) when that came into effect; most of the time I was told we don’t usually have people show these for the exemption.

For 10 day exemption for c&r handguns and c&r long guns, whether it be ppt facilitated by an 01 dealer (for c&r long guns if the seller just isn’t comfortable with California cash and carry to 03/coe holder that is the buyer) or buying store inventory; every shop has their own policy regardless of the exemption. Some will still require you to wait the 10 days as the buyer; that’s just their own personal store policy.

I remember doing a deal on calguns where the person didn’t know what it was, ended up being fine with it because of how many people displayed interest through messages and then just went crickets. I had a talk on the phone with them about my exemption to help them understand; they were understanding and was fine with it as long as I actually come by to buy it.

I remember I had times on calguns where i messaged people about FTF transactions about ammo without needing to go to FFL dealer to facilitate transfer; most didn’t even know about the exemption. Some were like is that even legal? I had to explain to most of them. Pretty much I just show them my credentials before cash is handed. My first one was fun; gas station at 9pm at night.

 

[yatzooa]

Did you ask why he needed the FFL03 info?

 

[ef9boy88]

Did you ask why he needed the FFL03 info?

I didn't just seemed really weird since it was a pre sale request.

 

[Ludesmonkey]

Let me guess…dude with a russian SKS for $450. It’s a scam. If something is too good to be true then it most likely is. He claims to be in San Diego and wants you to send money. Nope.

 

[ef9boy88]

Let me guess…dude with a russian SKS for $450. It’s a scam. If something is too good to be true then it most likely is. He claims to be in San Diego and wants you to send money. Nope.

Whittier for $650, never asked for money. Communications have been spotty and he didn't use alternatives.

 

[Tere_Hanges]

I wouldnt. Short answer is, he doesnt need any of your info unless he is also an 03FFL holder.

 

[Hit Factor]

How would an ffl03 go to all that trouble and not know this

Too busy picking up big boxes of tax-free, discounted ammo delivered directly to his front doorstep.

 

[H. Bowman]

I don't see a problem. If it's listed in his bound book he needs to dispo it somehow, which means he needs to put your info down. If you go to a brick and mortar ffl to transfer, buy or sell, are you to refuse to show ID? How is it any different?

 

[ef9boy88]

I don't see a problem. If it's listed in his bound book he needs to dispo it somehow, which means he needs to put your info down. If you go to a brick and mortar ffl to transfer, buy or sell, are you to refuse to show ID? How is it any different?

What made it weird was more him asking me to email it over before meeting up.

 

[H. Bowman]

Possibly making sure you're a legitimate buyer/seller? I'd ask questions before writing it off. Maybe he just sucks at communicating and didn't think to say "hey so it's in my ffl book and I'll need this info to dispo it, hope you're OK with that".

Not everyone's good at social mores and expectations.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

What made it weird was more him asking me to email it over before meeting up.

I’ve only had once where a seller asked me to show them proof before meeting up to help them understand what it is for a FTF ammo transaction; even though it’s not required until actually meeting up, before handing over the cash to proceed with the transaction. But what I did was edit the picture in the phone by scribbling over my residential address and ffl number because they don’t need to see the full physical proof until actually meeting up. The phone image they only needed to see the name on the 03 ffl license matched with the coe; no driver license was provided over the phone. Even upon meeting up, they don’t need to take pictures of your DL, 03 ffl, and coe to retain for their records; I would let them know ahead of time it’s not needed for them to take pictures to retain for their records before even meeting up so you can save the headache of arguing about it in person and come home with nothing.

I’ve had once of needing to repeatdly repeat the process of the exemption over the phone about how for c&r long guns going to an 01 ffl to facilitate the transfer, is not needed; their thought kept going back to is this even legal, is it illegal, or not knowing if it is legal/illegal, since all they know was to go to an 01 ffl to facilitate any ppt at all.

Sounds like maybe, if it wasn’t just to prove you weren’t wasting his time and actually have the credentials; guy thought he is to retain those pictures for his own records which is false.

I’ve seen posts before on calguns for c&r long guns, where they listed as “prefer to deal with 03ffl/coe” which would essentially mean California cash and carry.

 

[AR15barrels]

What made it weird was more him asking me to email it over before meeting up.

He was likely making sure you were actually able to do a face-to-face sale so he did not meet up with someone looking to purchase it illegally.
Legal face-to-face buyers have their licenses in-order while illegal buyers do not have licenses.